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Re: Trailmarkers - warning received
I have retreated from this discussion a few days, because I felt worked up, becoming increasingly frustrated, and I don't want this place to end up like Twitter.
This means that I don't want to throw oil into the fire, so feel free to point it out when I'm out of line.
We got Aaron's post about changes to hiking trails. This was a great shock to those living in certain countries, because this would potentially disqualify hundreds of thousand, if not millions of trail markers (although many of them wouldn't even meet November '21 AMA's criteria.
The announcement was made, but no clear guidelines were made available to wayfarers (except those viewing this thread). There is a lot of suggestion and extrapolation going on, murking our understanding Aaron's message concerning the hiking route markers.
Because I have faith in people their best intentions, I'm not willing to accept that the wayfarer team is compromising their views and philosophies, or that the wayfarer team is keeping secrets and secret agendas. We are still the curators of the wayfarer map, basing our decisions on these views and philosophies, and we share a common interest with the wayfarer team to make the map a good map: as I interpret it, a map of locations that make me go either "well, that's something I want to see next (again)" or "I can imagine someone else would find that interesting to see (again)".
Now I'm wondering: what does the team want us to do?
- If they say: "currently, the quality of hiking trail poi's is too low. Improve it.", then I'll ask how and be on my way doing that.
- If they say: "there are too many hiking trail poi's", then I'll say "That's great, eh? That was the plan all along! Let's go outside and use them!".
- If they want something more specific, they should be more clear and specific. I'm too autistic to read between the lines. Can't blame me for that, when communicating through vague and extenuating wording.
What we want is clarity (besides more stuff to nominate in the barren plains of the rural outside and newly built modern residential neighborhoods). We want to know and be able to see the category-specific guidelines for every object, whenever we nominate or review. "Using your own judgement" and "gut feeling" after carefully reviewing the guidelines apparently isn't enough, otherwise we wouldn't have this discussion.
And what do you fellow wayfarers think? Do you think I have a valid point, and if so, do you agree, or do you think I am missing something here?
Re: Historic Lighthouse. Bad Appeal Decision
Okay, thanks for that. But… …what is the reason underpinning that conclusion?
It's fine when someone raises a nomination and everyone familiar with Wayfarer can glance at it and say: "There's no pedestrian access." or "It's on private residential property."
But when they've raised an issue and it looks like it complies with previous Niantic statements, wouldn't it be preferable to highlight something as to HOW or WHY?
It wouldn't require an essay, either. Could somebody please just state that they cannot determine if there is a safe dock available, or whatever? Under existing rules sites that are only available to an exclusive group are still eligible if they meet acceptance criteria and don't hit any of the dis-qualifiers. So this one ticks the box that says 'Unsafe'.
Why?
Is every nomination meant to be a unicorn, where you just issue some verdict that cannot be discussed, challenged, or even reflected onto any other case?
Re: Trailmarkers - warning received
But you're not, in fact you're doing the exact opposite.
And if you go back to what Aaron's comment was that sparked all of this, being just one of many markers along a trail is only a small part of the statement and arguably not even the most impactful part. He leads with a concrete description of what is and isn't acceptable, and that's what people will most likely latch on to. What if your local trail that is absolutely amazing for exercise has just a single marker but it has only a colored shape and an arrow? Well then sorry no wayspot for you at all.
And while i'm absolutely nowhere near the "moar pokeystops" mindset, your obsession with having very few wayspots is just not in line with what 99% of wayfarers want or think is correct. And for what purpose? I've been making satirical remarks about your type of thinking since OPR first started and thankfully the number of folks with that mindset is as small as ever but y'all sure make a lot of noise.
Re: Spanish thread [Batalla de dialectos en España]
Los dialectos españoles (Catalán, Valenciano, Gallego, etc).
Catalán, gallego y euskera son idiomas propios, no dialectos del español. Los dialectos son andaluz, aragonés, leonés, canario…
Niantic no va a decir nada sobre el idioma a utilizar dado que incluso es válido nominar en inglés, francés o ruso. Si que dicen que se ha de preferir el idioma local, pero en las zonas donde hay dos idiomas oficiales eso significa que ambas opciones son igual de válidas.
Para mi lo normal en esos casos sería ponerlos bilingües igual que las señales y títulos en las calles.
Re: No aparece pokeparada aceptada
The first one is in the same Level 17 S2 Cell as both "Plaza Augusto Schweitzer" and "Emblema colgante del cuartel de bombers", whilst the second one is in the same Level 17 S2 Cell as "Evangelio en la plaza". Pokémon Go has a limit of one Pokéstop or Gym per Level 17 S2 Cell. In the below screenshots your nominations are represented by the red icons. The Level 17 S2 Cell is the red box.
They're also not eligible to appear in Ingress as Ingress has a rule of 20 metres between portals, and you can see that your wayspots fall within the 20 metre circle of both of the blue wayspots. They might get used in other games though.
If you want to learn more, Google search for the Pokémon Go Hub Comprehensive Guide to S2 Cells in Pokémon Go.
Re: There's no pokestops around me for several dozen kilometers, Niantic just rejected me nomination.
If you'll share your nominations (photos, description, supporting), we're glad to see if we spot what's going on.
For example, if you used any game work (Pokemon, spin, stops, etc) - that's an immediate reject.
Also, did your rejection say "the community decided" or "our team decided"?
"This place really exists" or "they sell stuff" - has nothing to do with acceptance criteria. Did you explain how it's a great place to explore, socialize, or exercise?
Re: Wayspot looking generic at first glance
Nothing that I wrote was snarky. You kept mentioning "tells you something about your local community" as a criterion. But that's not one of the main criterion. The criteria are what I listed. When people post here, we have no way of knowing what they do and don't know about Wayfarer. Many have just heard bits and pieces from their locals. So we always go back to the basics and ask someone to align their submission with one of the official criterion.
Re: Wayspot looking generic at first glance
The criteria are, a great place to:
- be social
- exercise
- explore
You have not convinced us, the experienced Wayfinders, that this sign meets any of those criteria. If you want to let people know about the volunteer organization, then nominate their headquarters. A random sign with the name of the organization on it, isn't a great place to explore.
Re: Wayspot looking generic at first glance
I would disagree with that assessment. Whether the sign was installed by the local authorities, this club, your aunt, or anyone else, it is still a generic warning sign that isn't a great place to socialise, exercise or explore. If I'm visiting from out of town, I'm not going to want to visit a sign that warns people of potential ice on the road.
Re: How do I upgrade a church pokestop into a gym?
No, you can't request that a stop be made into a gym. Whoever said that has absolutely no idea about how the system works.
A while back there was a way to influence it, but Niantic didn't intend for this (they actually viewed it as abuse) and as a result they randomised the process to prevent people from abusing the system.
You will need to try to find another eligible location in the same Level 14 S2 Cell as the church and then hope that the church is the one that gets promoted to the Gym. I can appreciate it's often hard to find things in rural villages, but if you feel like sharing the location of the village, maybe we can help you try to find something else you can submit?