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Bars/Pubs/Adult-Oriented Clarification

I consider myself to be relatively well educated, but this category admittedly confuses me! I saw another commenter with the same confusion so I figured a separate post to get some clarity would be good.


1.) What types of things fall under "adult oriented businesses "? I think obviously, **** clubs, s.e.x. shops, etc. But I think the confusion is a lot of people feel bars/pubs fall into this category BUT--


2.) Pubs. I have read pubs are good submissions, especially over in Europe.

I feel like "bars" are different from pubs but I can't really quantify why or how they are different. However, I have seen some unique breweries are also good submissions.

In the same vein- what about hookah bars? Instant reject or depends on the details? And other businesses that specialize in serving/selling things only adults can take part in (alcohol, tobacco, even marijuana now)


So--any info about all of this would be great- but it seems that alcohol serving establishments are NOT rejects for " adult oriented ", provided they meet the other criteria?

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  • NorthSeaPoet-INGNorthSeaPoet-ING Posts: 893 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Not all pubs serve food though but depending on their license, some/most pubs allow minors (under 18) in until a certain time. My local allows minors in until 9pm.

    Pubs and bars are almost the same thing but pubs tend to be more in countries with a slightly more British influence. Also, generally speaking, bars tend to have the one bar whereas a pub will usually have several bars.

  • NorthSeaPoet-INGNorthSeaPoet-ING Posts: 893 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No problem!

    I included the age restrictions after certain times in my original comment just so it didn't read like I was insinuating that pubs are adult oriented only. I think pubs that serve food are more lenient (depending on their license) in regards to minors but I could be wrong - it's been a while since I've worked in a bar/pub/drinking establishment.

    In regards to the wording, we have both bars and pubs over here in the UK. Generally speaking, a lot of our pubs tend to be in older buildings as many will have been originally opened up as far back as the 1600s and as late as the 1800s or early 1900s, whereas our bars tend to be in more modernish buildings or at least have a more modern decor.

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  • Sugarstarzkill-PGOSugarstarzkill-PGO Posts: 437 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The starred word is s.t.r.i.p. clubs. Thought to dodge the filter for the 3 letter word but didnt realize that 5 letter one would trigger it haha

  • Sugarstarzkill-PGOSugarstarzkill-PGO Posts: 437 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you for some insight @Gendgi . That makes sense- that the restriction is mostly around places where you have to be 18/21 or however old to enter. I do think you're right that other candidates inside those establishments can still be approved (art, historic plaques) just not the business itself. This is how I've understood it but wasn't totally sure I was right.


    But now that has me wondering about **** ranges- I've seen some people lump them in under not eligible because of the adult oriented rule, but at least in good old 'Merica, kids regularly go there with parents. Maybe niantic just doesn't want to include them overall though, not because of an age limit.

  • NorthSeaPoet-INGNorthSeaPoet-ING Posts: 893 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Not all pubs serve food though but depending on their license, some/most pubs allow minors (under 18) in until a certain time. My local allows minors in until 9pm.

    Pubs and bars are almost the same thing but pubs tend to be more in countries with a slightly more British influence. Also, generally speaking, bars tend to have the one bar whereas a pub will usually have several bars.

  • Gendgi-PGOGendgi-PGO Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As always, thanks for helping explain the way things are over the pond. Generally, stateside seems to be more geared towards dining or a "brew pub," though. I do add most of our "pubs" are British or United Kingdom themed. I don't know how guides should be clarified, but I personally don't think limited age restrictions based on hours of the day should matter, only if the establishment never allows minors to dinner.

    Regardless of the differences & simulators amongst the two, the official classifications shouldn't really matter. Getting hung up on words makes it hard for different cultures and languages.

  • Gendgi-PGOGendgi-PGO Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Anything within a fire arm ranges I still consider ineligible, and I say that as somebody who actively goes to such locations.

    Safety is of paramount concern, and the entire facility is typically fenced and usually have separate "club houses" available, but I would never encourage anyone to venture there to play a Niantic phone game. They are safe, but not safe to wander around playing on your phone.

    I think this could be clarified better, especially since if you consider them similar to the 18/21 restriction, a gazebo or mural within a firearm range would be allowed.

    @NianticCasey-ING, could you clarify in this when you have a chance?

    Anyone else's opinions?

  • NorthSeaPoet-INGNorthSeaPoet-ING Posts: 893 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No problem!

    I included the age restrictions after certain times in my original comment just so it didn't read like I was insinuating that pubs are adult oriented only. I think pubs that serve food are more lenient (depending on their license) in regards to minors but I could be wrong - it's been a while since I've worked in a bar/pub/drinking establishment.

    In regards to the wording, we have both bars and pubs over here in the UK. Generally speaking, a lot of our pubs tend to be in older buildings as many will have been originally opened up as far back as the 1600s and as late as the 1800s or early 1900s, whereas our bars tend to be in more modernish buildings or at least have a more modern decor.

  • Sugarstarzkill-PGOSugarstarzkill-PGO Posts: 437 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you everyone for the feedback thus far- I guess to simplify- if it's a 1) Fairly new establishment with no historical value 2.) A place where kids are never allowed in and 3) generic with nothing unique/special about it- it's probably not a good nomination.


    I figure I'll leave this up another day or so just to see if there are differing opinions.

  • FuzzySun-INGFuzzySun-ING Posts: 47 ✭✭✭
    edited April 2020


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  • WheelTrekker-INGWheelTrekker-ING Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Being acceptable is not the same than being good candidates. It only means that they aren't auto-reject.

  • FuzzySun-INGFuzzySun-ING Posts: 47 ✭✭✭

    Yes, that was the question. The thread seems to be splitting bars and pubs and bringing in an age stipulation for bars and pubs that doesn't exist isn't in the guidance.

  • NorthSeaPoet-INGNorthSeaPoet-ING Posts: 893 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I brought in the age stipulations to demonstrate the difference between pubs and bars in the UK, not to say that one should be acceptable over the over due to the age stipulations.

  • Sugarstarzkill-PGOSugarstarzkill-PGO Posts: 437 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So if there is no age stipulation (and I agree, I have no seen that specified) what is the intent behind the "adult oriented" stipulation? Just keeping things that are "inappropriate " out of the games? That is kind of murky which is why this seems to be kind of a weird category.

  • NorthSeaPoet-INGNorthSeaPoet-ING Posts: 893 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I believe that is the case, I could be wrong. However, I imagine if they allowed things like s-t-r-i-p clubs or s-h-o-o-t-i-n-g ranges as wayspots, parents of any young uns/teenagers that play the game would go full Karen mode and basically kick off at Niantic for allowing "things that aren't appropriate for the children".


  • Gendgi-PGOGendgi-PGO Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For locations for firearm training, I personally consider the entire area ineligible. I say that as somebody who frequently uses these facilities. 

    On such ranges, safety is of paramount concern. Anywhere within the field typically has signs and fences to prevent anyone beginning being being at risk. There are clubhouses and member lounges available to safely congregate. 

    However, I wouldn't consider the facility at large safety accessible, especially for a phone platform AR game. I think it's a little different than a golf course or similar location, based on the inherent difference in safety associated with firearms.

    @NianticCasey-ING, could you offer clarification if you think gazebos or unique artwork could be eligible on a range for firearms, or is the entire location considered off limits? Thanks!

  • Gendgi-PGOGendgi-PGO Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For locations for firearm training, I personally consider the entire area ineligible. I say that as somebody who frequently uses these facilities. 

    On such ranges, safety is of paramount concern. Anywhere within range typically has signs and fences to prevent anyone beginning being being in jeopardy. There are clubhouses and member lounges available to safely congregate. 

    However, I wouldn't consider the facility at large safety accessible, especially for a phone platform AR game. I think it's a little different than a golf course or similar location, based on the inherent difference in safety associated with firearms.

    @NianticCasey-ING, could you offer clarification if you think gazebos or unique artwork could be eligible on a range for firearms, or is the entire location considered off limits? Thanks!

  • Gendgi-PGOGendgi-PGO Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @NianticCasey-ING, could more clarification be provided if a business that such as a bar or pub that ONLY allows 18/21+ would follow similar rules as the marijuana restriction based on age?

    Additionally, could clarification about things that are typically eligible also be valid on a gun range? There are typically lounges and gazebos where community members can safely congregate, however there is an inherent difference between that and, say, a golf range.

  • Gendgi-PGOGendgi-PGO Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For locations for training, I personally consider the entire area ineligible. I say that as somebody who frequently uses these facilities.

    On such ranges, safety is of paramount concern. Anywhere within range typically has signs and fences to prevent anyone beginning being being in jeopardy. There are clubhouses and member lounges available to safely congregate.

    However, I wouldn't consider the facility at large safety accessible, especially for a phone platform AR game. I think it's a little different than a golf course or similar location, based on the inherent difference in safety associated with such places.

  • FuzzySun-INGFuzzySun-ING Posts: 47 ✭✭✭

    I have a differing opinion. It doesn't matter whether minors are allowed in or not. Bars and pubs are acceptable.


  • Sugarstarzkill-PGOSugarstarzkill-PGO Posts: 437 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I do agree that for safety reasons, things in s h o o t I n g ranges would not be wise submissions and its probably just controversial in genera. I guess my sticking point is that it was listed under "adult oriented " which didn't make sense to me. They probably just lacked a better category to put them in.

  • FuzzySun-INGFuzzySun-ING Posts: 47 ✭✭✭

    Able to be accepted, yes. That post was in limbo because of the attachment. There might be another soon.

  • Gendgi-PGOGendgi-PGO Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good grief, sorry about duplicate posts up in here, only one of them ever said "pending approval" and I couldn't figure out why any of them needed reviewed. What a lovely forum this is.

  • NorthSeaPoet-INGNorthSeaPoet-ING Posts: 893 ✭✭✭✭✭

    But what makes them stand out from other bars? What makes that particular local bar in Town X stand out from 4 other bars in Town X?

  • TheFarix-PGOTheFarix-PGO Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The entire point of the "generic local business" clause in Potentially Confusing Nominations is to discourage people from using the "it exists, therefore it's eligible" logic when it comes to specific types of businesses. But that is exactly what Dice/Gabriel wants us to adopt for bars and pubs.

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