Changing in the wayfarer program since december 2020
Peryak-PGO
Posts: 13 ✭✭
I have noticed a lot of refusal for falses reason since December 2020
The principal reason are
- Natural features
- No permanent installation
the problem is that most of the time both of those two reasons make no sense when you try to put a plaza you get of natural feature not made by humans (I don't know where those peoples have live on naturally occurring plazas but I want to go there) even on even on hiking sign like, where is it a natural thing when it's a metal sign with paint applied on it and a QR code to help you find your way on google map...
also now when you add sculpture in the ground or in walls you get the non-permanant feature the thing is buried in concrete in the ground sometime part of the sidewalk tilling and it's not permanent if that is not then everything I not permanent since they will be gone in 50 to a 100 years
Niantic I don't know what to do I really want to improve the game for everyone's but it's getting more and more frustrating, I started adding in the program last summer (2020) and it was magical to be able to be part of it but recently it just became frustrating I don't know if it's a lot of people trolling of if it's a bot reporting falsely without noticing.
what can I do to continue helping other players, and what can I do to help you in peculiar
Thank you
Peryak
Comments
Just to add an example i have many other ones to provide
And what on this object should be eligeble??? 1* doesnt meet criteria would be correct....
Do you see solar panel in a park frequently in the middle of a park next to benches etc.
It's new it's not common and it does fit in the "Others" category since it's a valid category therefore it's a valid proposition
no, nothing on it meets criteria. Mass produced object, 1* -> doesnt meet criteria. The location dont make an ineligeble object eligeble.. If you put a PC in that parc, it would still be ineligeble , because it is mass produced. This solar panel is mass produced and not visually unique/historical significant. It is not a great place for exploration (because it is nothing special), not a great place for beig social (the plaza might be, the panel not) and also not a great place for exercise. 1*...
then statues are not eligible to they are also mass produice
And give me a example of solar panel array displayed in park also this is not common
And also it doesn't change the fact that this item has been refused for the wrong reason and there is nothing I can do about that
Statues that can get bought for 30€/$ are ineligeble. But would you say that these are mass produced statues?
Of course not cause they are put in a display to human people witch this array of solar panel was also witch make be treated in the same way than those statues soo it's a display not just solar panels.
your example actually help my point
This solar panel is not an art installation. Thats only a solar panel. If it is art, then you need to porrve it. But the most people would still reject it...
Then is a urinal art, cause one is
but okay you made you point my thing was just an example the problem wasn't that this was rejected, but that the reviews were getting lesser in quality the mail say it was rejected for reasons that is not it's not eligible as a stop but that it was a natural feature to not permanent witch is not the case that is the problem i am talking about i don't care if people judge that is not art or not POI worthy it should be that written in the mail soo i can progress in my submission and not fake reason that just frustrate me
And then how do you explain that I was clearly not in a car yes there is a shadow but the structure is clearly visible and there is building everywhere soo there is shadow in the late afternoon how can I fight that
This is clearly a place that promote exercise since it's a pedestrian path
Bad photo (e.g. from a car). The object is not central on the picture, the palm is. This is a bad picture. The rejection reason is correct.
ok then it'll be better next time
Just because something is uncommon or rare doesn't make it eligible. NO WHERE in the eligibility criteria does it mention rarity.
When you review a stop there is a notation on 5 stars on how visually unique it is
For me Unique is a notation of how rare or common it is soo it's part of the notation process
That means that the object is easily identifiable from its surroundings. That has nothing to do with rarity nor does it mean that rarity makes something eligible.
Your example here clearly shows that Niantic should educate people (both submitters and reviewers) about their criteria.
You nominate a solar panel which don't meet any eligibility criteria. Yet, reviewers reviewing it gave wrong rejection reason instead.
At least you can complaint about wrong rejection reason given to your nomination.
In this case rejection reasons are definitely correct. This structure doesn't meet criteria at all, but even if it did, this photo isn't good. (I wouldn't reject it based on the picture alone, but I can see why people did.)
I think the reasoning behind to random rejection rationals is because if reviewers choose the correct reason, they would choose "Other" for the overwhelming majority of rejections. And there is a perception that if you choose the same rejection reason too many times in a sequence, it will trigger a cool down. It is perception that I think Niantic should directly address.
But where can I complain efficiently? cause even here it's not that useful
Nowhere...
i just need to add my 2 cent.
@Peryak-PGO take a close look at the things around you. what is a wayspot in your country? what things are not a wayspot?
If you need examples, take a look at the ingress intel map for dubai and find out what in Dubai is already a wayspot. If you dont have an Ingress account, just make a lvl 1 and log into at ingress.com and go to the intel map.
Also, you want to complain. What about? Your submissions were rejected, and if you re-add them, they will be rejected a 1001 times. You cannot complain efficently to Niantic, as they would need to have a Team of thousands of people to take a look at these mails and complaints, and in the end, they will find out that people just didnt read the manual, as it is most of the time here.
Your "complaint" here just shows that you didnt really read the manual.
Again my complain is not about my submission being rejected it's about it being rejected for the wrong reasons, if reviewer just don't care about the reason they will never be an improvement, i would like a system that allow you to tell when you submission has been rejected for the wrong reason soo the they would be a feedback loop and the people reviewing for the false reason could see they doo and now use the better reason soo the people doing the suggestion could be better pointed to the flaws and correct them late
soo this is a problem and it would benefit a lot of people to have access to a tool who could help the mail saying what is the problem is already an improvement compared to last summer for example but it could get better no don't you think
i mean going out an finding interesting things is hard an when i review no i see a lot of people doing abusive submission and it's frustrating that mine who i take time thinking about it and try to really find nice spot i get refusal for the wrong reason it won't improve the whole system
@Peryak-PGO Consider it this way. We all are kind of disappointed that many reviewers don't seem to choose the right rejection reasons, but most of the rejections we see here are correct. By learning what's wrong with those nominations, you'll become both a better nominators and a better reviewer.
A couple weeks ago I nominated a churrería (if you don't know what churros are you don't know what you're missing). It's very difficult nomination to get approved and it may still be rejected, yet it has spent a good part of the last two weeks in voting. It's a sign of all the things that I learned here that it wasn't instantly rejected.
It pays to remember the voting criteria (visually unique, historical and cultural significance and to have a locatable location with a great photo)
We don't know how Niantic chooses rejection reasons to send to you. It could be that they pick the top N that were selected from people who 1*'ed the review overall. It seems that sometimes they fall back to other voting criteria if there's not a strong signal from the 1*s but we don't really know for sure.
My guess is that it's often the case that some N reviewers rate something "doesn't meet criteria" and a small number of reviewers choose other reasons... either because they misclicked or they did it deliberately. When there is a mess of weird rejection reasons it's almost always safe to assume that the real reason is "doesn't meet criteria".