Why was this regected YET AGAIN
PkmnMasterUgi-PGO
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Nomination ID: J7fxdxnAH/j4DJkchd2L5jpjaKZv+ztr50lyw54Fi9c=
i have submitted this 11 times since august 2020 and every time it gets rejected yet there are about 20 other ones in the area granted the other ones are cleaner and lower down on the pole or lampost thay are on and this one is about 10ft in the air i have provided a photosphere for the stop i have made sure the picture is as clear as it can be and i have provided a accurate location and discription personally i feel im being targeted and the things i suggest are being auto rejected
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this is what you see on google street view
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/51+Dantwyn+Rd,+Pontarddulais,+Swansea+SA4+8NB/@51.718284,-4.0257001,3a,75y,328.94h,82.99t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1slzmNFq-Sav7XHZLMHXTT4g!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DlzmNFq-Sav7XHZLMHXTT4g%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D59.40208%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x486ef6b645eb685d:0x170903cdf5f639f7!8m2!3d51.7183404!4d-4.0258804
and what is actually there
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.7183225,-4.0257254,3a,75y,198.25h,91.99t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAF1QipMNO2B5SFgb_weBJ9PAao8Fmacv7weOrJIKGaYT!2e10!3e12!7i8192!8i4096
You need a better photo to start with.
Cynical and/or pragmatic advice.
If it's been rejected 11 times, it's possible that reviewers are also frustrated. Take a break and try again later on.
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If you want help to improve, post screenshots of your actual nomination. Also support photo and text. Look around in nomination improvement subforum to get the idea how it's done.
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Practical IRL advice. Half a liter of warm soap water, window cleaning kit with a long stick, sunny weekend morning/day -> better photos.
From personal experience; it's recommended to have a ready explanation for curious passer bys. My explanation is "preparing a check point for urban orienteering route", which is true (Ingress mission banner).
I've cleaned signs before too. Best to do it with a friend so you don't feel wierd about it, and yes, have that explanation ready too! We had 2 park entrance signs that needed cleaning because they got rejected several times in a row for photo quality.
Definitely take the picture on a clearer day, and get as close to it as possible before you start zooming in with the phone. It looks a bit dim and blurry and it makes it hard to read the text which I assume is the trail name.
I remember having to photograph an allotment sign that was 8 foot in the air above a gate that looked suitable for a prison entrance, which I didn't want in my main picture! I got asked twice what I was doing, stood there for 15 mins stretching up with both arms on tip toes taking pictures of their allotment gate! I just said I'm taking a picture for a game, you have to collect pictures of interesting local places and share them, the people thought it was cool and suggested other places to go next! And the allotment was accepted first time, so it was worth it!
Without seeing the supporting documentation in your nomination, it's hard to say why it keeps getting rejected. However, at first glance, it looks like generic street signage. Care to share us screenshots of your nomination in full? Thanks!
I guess my question is, "What criterion does it meet?"
Its a trail marker
This is what it looks like when not close up on the trail marker
All these made it as stops granted the signs are cleaner but that should not stop a nomination being accepted
@PkmnMasterUgi-PGO If the photo is so blurry that the wayspot can't be clearly identified then yes it should be rejected as a poor quality photo.
To be fair, with a proper description and support text it's easy to identify even if it's dirty. For example this site shows the marker right away.
Still, I stand by my soap water and window cleaning kit advice. :)
This also might be a good place to use a ladder. Maybe a selfie stick?
Just because it is a trail marker doesn't mean it is automaticly elgiable. What aspect of the trail does it represent? Clearly it isn't an endpoint, but is it a junction or access point?
based off http://www.walk-around-wales.com/pages/long-distance/st-illtyds-walk.htm i would say its part 2 of the 64 mile trail
there is a notice on the pole it self not to use a ladder to climb it as its a main power line and there has recently had a new trasformer like bix added lower down about 12 foot off the floor for what looks to be a broadband point as we getting gig internet on my street and that is aty the top end of my street
Is there anything on the signs that notes that?
Techinically it doesnt matter what part of it represents. Trail marks as a whole are eligible. But if there are a ton already accepted i can see them being rejected for not being as visually unique
Can we see your full nomination? With title description supporting photo and info please?
Is there supporting evidence on the location.
Photo quality also comes into it.
I didn't know what I was looking at until I read the comments.
Where else would you find trailmarkers, other than trails? Let me answer that, you don't. So if there's a trailmarker, its part of a trail. It doesnt need to have a sign in it.
@BleedBoss-PGO If the sign isn't legible how is a reviewer expected to know that it's a trail marker?
@Hosette-ING quoting myself.
" To be fair, with a proper description and support text it's easy to identify even if it's dirty. For example this site shows the marker right away."
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It is possible to identify the trail marker in this case, but the easiest solution is to clean it.
It seems pretty reasonable to side with the submitter and assume that this is a trail marker without being able to fully read it. I can maybe understand not wanting to give it 5* overall because you can't personally confirm it is a trail marker, but it certainly isn't reject worthy and I think trusting the submitter here is the right move. What else would be it that you think would make it ineligible?
The text is very small compared to the rest of the sign, and as a reminder, trail markers do not need to have the name of the trail anymore in the first place.
Hi @PkmnMasterUgi-PGO
Myself and a few others in the UK Telegram group have seen this, and we've rejected them on the basis of not enough effort or information, and secondly using Intel to look at the already live portals, your submission titles are terrible, almost all of them have the *same exact* name which makes Ingress key sorting an absolute nightmare, so I'm gonna try and give you some constructive feedback.
1) Better titles - each portal should be distinguishable from the others around it, so each title needs to be unique, usually based off the road name or some nearby landmark to tell each key apart from the others.
2) Photospheres - Prove to us they actually exist in the location where the pin is dropped.
3) More information, we can see they are trail markers, so give us a link to the map, or something that backups what your selling to us, as of right now, your effort value is 1/10 and doesn't make any of us want to accept any more of these low effort low value portals.
Hope that helps :)