Angers - Prieuré St Augustin - Removal Portal Appeal
leFadaDavid-ING
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hi,
Title of the Wayspot: Angers - Prieuré St Augustin
Location: 47.447014,-0.525986
City: Angers
Country: France
Photos to support your claim :
Additional information: This point of interest has been improperly removed. It is perfectly legitimate under your current rules. This is an abusive report !
The historical building is visible on google streeview
It's referenced on the French government website indicating that the monument is classified as French heritage : https://www.pop.culture.gouv.fr/notice/merimee/IA49006037
Thank you for restoring it
Comments
I don't understand.
POI on private area are legit now ?
Because when we go in the park to down it, you always cry that's is forbidden to go inside because that's a private area....
Looks like it's a private property.
Even if it's a historical building, if it's owned by a single family then it should be removed.
It belongs to an association that visits places or organizes cultural events.
Nevertheless, if we follow your logic, all private castles must be deleted?
The place is visited on specific niches or during cultural events. You don't come in because the gate is open...You know like all monuments....
Only if no public access is provided ;)
For your appeal, it has limited time window for public access but it's enough to be a valid Wayspot, like any amusement park 👍👍
Lot of castle are owned by single family...
Even « Château de Roquetaillade » , « Château de Vayres» and other French castles is owned by single family .
It don't seems really true. According to the local newspaper this monument was bought in 2005 by a women. She seems to live in the property but let some associations use the church for some culturals events, or meetings.
There was a plan to sell the Prieuré to an association but nothing is signed, and it was not planned before 2022 according to the newspaper.
(in french) https://www.ouest-france.fr/pays-de-la-loire/angers-49000/angers-le-prieure-saint-augustin-pourrait-etre-legue-a-l-arche-en-anjou-3c6f0bf6-af87-4113-8c2c-6bdce4c6b2e4
Thank you for this press article which clearly announces that this place hosts seminars, conferences, concerts...
You just have to read what you send to the end: "continue to host conferences and also concerts, as has been the case for the past ten years, in the beautiful chapel of the place."
I'm just saying that the previous sentence "it belongs to an association" don't seems to be right.
I'm not stating about the legitimity of this portal because I don't know the new Wayfarer rules perfectly. It looks like a women have a church in his garden. This church is used by some associations for some cultural events, sometimes. Is it legit ? I don't know.
Only those whose owned by a single family. Being owned by an association or similiar doesn't count.
Except, the association did request its removal directly to Niantic, which we didn't know if it's the case.
No this is not the case, I just went to ask. They don't even know the game...and it doesn't bother them since the portal was located outside.
' definitly close '
The owner created an association 14 years ago to manage the building which is classified as a historical monument in order to organize cultural events and paid visits.
The article you're talking about has no relation, the place can be visited like any other monument, there is no debate.
I also remind you that you moved the position of this gate last year so that it is on the sidewalk. At that time, it didn't bother you.
This removal is abusive and only serves to annoy the opposing team.
"Also remind you that you moved the position of this gate last year so that it is on the sidewalk. At that time, it didn't bother you."
I never did any edit on this portal, please stop posting fake news or incriminate some players just because it's a Wayspot you have the habit to play with.
Yes this church is accessible a some times when there's some cultural events inside it. When did I/we say the opposit ? It's also inside the same area than the house from the owner.
Like I said in my previous comment, I'm not stating about the legitimity of this portal, I just expose the facts because it's easy to only show a part of it.
I didn't say you personally but you ("vous" en Français si c'est plus simple à comprendre)
Depending on whether you can access the house only the house or nothing of the two. Graffiti tags are ineligible. The house can count as a great place for exploration or culture/history.
He's probably talking about Niantic's decision to remove such Wayspots.
In any case, this building is classified and protected by the Ministry of Culture. (cf: https://www.pop.culture.gouv.fr/notice/merimee/PA00108876 )
In addition, many religious houses (such as presbyteries for example) are often dwellings, but are also open to the public and considered an "annex" of the church (often financed and maintained by the municipality).
If it is open for the public, it's eligible of course. Otherwise like 70% of the POIs would be ineligible xD
Stop talking nonsense
Do you know a place that doesn't belong to anyone?
OK this woman owns "Le Prieuré". In which way this prevents her from renting it to an association and therefore that it becomes an accessible place ?
You can even do yoga there to relax : http://www.efyo.fr/index.php?p=lieu
It's so easy to only look for things that are right for you :)
I just said that the Prieuré does not seems to belongs to an association. An association is using it, that's different.
I'm not stating about the legitimity of this portal because I don't know the new Wayfarer rules perfectly. It looks like a women have a church in his garden. This church is used by some associations for some cultural events, sometimes. Is it legit for a POI? I don't know.
If the building is an old historic church that is now a single family residence and no one else except the family can access the site then it should be classed as a Private Residence - PRP.
If the building is an old historic church that is now a single family residence BUT they open it for visits / seminars / garden visits etc (i.e. the public are officially allowed to the site for 1 or more times per year, then this is accepteble to Niantic as a Waypoint.
We are not talking about a wooden chapel built in a woman's garden! We are talking about a building classified by the French Ministry of Culture ==> https://www.pop.culture.gouv.fr/notice/merimee/PA00108876
Do you think you're being dishonest to the end? This suppression is only a reprisal against me in relation to other portals that have been suppressed. The number of messages here, trying to prove that this portal is not legitimate, is enough to understand it.
"Do you think you're being dishonest to the end? This suppression is only a reprisal against me in relation to other portals that have been suppressed."
I don't believe that Niantic delete some Wayspots because of some player behavior. They deleted it because, with the informations they had, they believed that the Wayspot was not legit. And this appeal is a way to provide more informations to them in order to change their judgment.
That being said, I know who reported this Wayspot to Niantic, and this "Niantic games player" isn't even from your city or close to, and none of the Wayspots he plays have been removed recently. So, no, it's not about an hypothetical revenge or whatever.
"We are not talking about a wooden chapel built in a woman's garden! We are talking about a building classified by the French Ministry of Culture"
As I said before, "I'm just saying that the previous sentence "it belongs to an association" don't seems to be right.
I'm not stating about the legitimity of this portal because I don't know the new Wayfarer rules perfectly. It looks like a women have a church in his garden. This church is used by some associations for some cultural events, sometimes. Is it legit ? I don't know."
"OK this woman owns "Le Prieuré". In which way this prevents her from renting it to an association and therefore that it becomes an accessible place ?"
That's what is written in the comment you quotted. A women own the Prieuré, live in the same place (in his house) and open/rent the Prieuré for some cultural events.
Anyway, I think there is enough information here for Niantic to make a decision.
That's good, you confirm that the association didn’t request the removal of this point of interest. It has only been deleted by players who do not live here so without any legitimate reason, just to annoy local players, end of discussion.
Appeal Accepted - Thanks for the appeal, Agent. We gave this a second look and decided to restore the Portal in question.
the wayfarer questions say that they recognize some ppl may not b able to access every stop and that's ok.