Mountain Top Swings
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Wondering why my mountain top swings keep rejecting.
They are on mountain and hilltop summits with public hiking trails so promotes exercise & exploration. Swings are pretty much a playground which are approved all over usually. Super cool spots with great views....what am I missing here?
A couple of times I have received the 'temporary or seasonal' rejection reason, and I have tried again noting in the supporting info that they have been there for years with no luck. You can Google 'Old Baldy Swing' and see that it is a popular hiking spot and always there, the seat even has the shape of Vancouver Island carved into it - that is pretty artistic too!....so please, any advice appreciated :)
I think they would make great portals and it is so disappointing to have made the trek up there and have them reject over and over again :(
photos of two examples below, there are several more of these swings on various hiking trails with views around the island.
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Such swings are not eligible as they are generic objects which are also most likely temporarily placed. In total, I can totally understand the rejection here.
as generic as any playground I guess...well except for the shape of our island carved into this particular one - wood carving? local art?
any way, since I know these are in fact not temporary, I am looking for advice on ways to try and communicate that, since they check every box in the listed Wayfarer Criteria otherwise. link to older articles about it maybe? https://www.narcity.com/en-ca/things-to-do/mount-baldys-swing-hiking-trail-in-bc-offers-unreal-mountaintop-views or https://www.abitsalty.ca/post/mount-baldy-in-shawnigan-lake-vancouver-island-hike
Any hope at all? they are such amazing hike in spots, I really don't want to give up on them! lol
Links could make it to a "local hotspot", but letting the reviewer rate like this will be pretty unlikely.
I think your primary photo is beautiful from a photography perspective, but it may need just a little more surrounding evidence. The support image may be better taken from a different angle if there is a way to make it's position relative to the view and the trail more significant. It is clear from the rope fraying that the swing has been there for some time, but it is a difficult sell.
The description is a little anemic. Try adding information about the trail that gets you to the swing. What is the significance of the journey that gets you there?
I understand the sentiment and personal attachment, but the phrase "Super cool spot" makes the location sound like it is primarily personal, and not socially significant.
Even with these improvements it may not make it through, but I think a strong educated description can go a long ways. When I see something I think is questionable I look to the description and supporting information. Don't use phrases like "I think" or "we need more stops in this area" or "Please". These phrases are strong turn offs as they don't show strong confidence in the suggested wayspot as a valid candidate.
I think it is a beautiful view and a place I would personally love to visit. Even if you are not able to get this wayspot approved I believe you seem to have a good eye for unique and interesting features and shouldn't give up on other opportunities. It is really rewarding to be able to review waypoints that are more significant than stop signs or a rock in someone's front yard.
These are "home made swings" put up by the local kids (or perhaps someone trying to fake a Waypoint). As they are not "official play equipment", can be installed anywhere at any time and removed at any point, they are "temporary items". 1* - not eligible for me, I reject anything like this.
hmmm ok, so follow up question pls: if there was something in the supporting information that it has been there for many years and is a popular hiking destination with supporting links like https://www.narcity.com/en-ca/things-to-do/mount-baldys-swing-hiking-trail-in-bc-offers-unreal-mountaintop-views or https://www.alltrails.com/explore/recording/mt-baldy-swing would that sway your opinion at all?
or definite NO and wouldn't even read? I mean murals get painted over all the time and we still accept them, these swings have been around for at least 7 years that I have seen myself and probably much much longer.
thanks for your feedback, appreciated :)
The first one is ok for me if the context around it is ok (so it's depends on complementory information)
The second one, i would have reject it because the description is not good. The "super cool stop" is not a description, so when i saw that i'm suspicious.
I both case i will be difficult to see them validated because for now many reviewer are against all nominations outside town and will use uncorrect reason to refuse nominations because they don't have any idea of what kind of POI we can found outside town.
well except for the shape of our island carved into this particular one - wood carving? local art?
What about trying to nominate a lookout point marked by a permanently installed, custom built swing?I If you can find out who is/are behind installing the swing, something like this could be your approach?
"Old Baldy lookout point marked by custom made, hand crafted wooden swing by local artisan x. Motif on the swing presents the shape of the island. Also an end point of popular hiking trail x."
If the swings on top of mountains are a local tradition, it's worth mentioning also.
Definitely use the link(s) to show it's not just a simple swing. You'll all the extra credibility for these.
No - it would make no difference. If it were an "official" bit of play equipment placed there by a local council or similar, there there is a good chance it would be regularly maintained and replaced if removed or damaged. With these swings, they can come and go at any time. Temporary items all day long.
I must have missed the part of Niantic’s criteria that indicates that PoIs must be erected and maintained by official government organizations to qualify. I thought that all sorts of religious, folk, artistic, and business locations were eligible.
It’s cool stuff to do, hear, see, or experience that they seem to be calling for, with a few stipulations to ensure visitors are not entirely baffled by portable or seasonal nominations. No one needs reviewers who lie or sit in judgement with the claim that bureaucracy offers permanence.
All sorts of nominations are eligible. However, with something like this that can be put up for a photo and taken down again in 5 minutes, I'm going to rate it as "temporary".
Rope swings generally aren’t permanent. If it was a cable or chain it would look better as it doesn’t look like someone went to a hardware store to make it. You’ll have problems proving it to be permanent
Why some people here think that submitters lies?
In the case of fake nomination, when someone will saw the POI, a report and it's the end of the fake.
But if we refused everything because it can be temporary and we don't trust submitters in description, we will lost many good POI...
The are fake, that's certain, but fake are a minority...
Temporary criteria is for seasonnal stuff...
I'm sorry, but when I reviewed I saw plenty of examples of submitters lying to get fake POI or home-POI so I can understand people that don't believe easly in every nomination.
I reported many fake and home POIs when I spotted them, but I still get pretty similiar fake nominations from the same places to review, so I can say that my reporting didn't really means much. And not only I had experiences like that with reporting.
I must sadly said that depending on where you live you can found plenty of fake nominations, they can take a big part of revieweing for some people, they're not a minority in some places.
But for this nomination, it fits for temporary rejection, at it is sasonal stuff. Swings like that all taken away when seasons changes and they come back only for warm seasons - at least in my region. As others mentioned, if it would be made from chain or anything more solid that ordinary rope it would have more chance of getting accepted, but looking at this is a really hard for it to be accepted. It would be easier to find something more solid to nominate in this area, this nomination is unlikely to be accepted.
So many good poi will be rejected...
I agree that these would be extremely cool wayspots IF (and that's a big if) you could prove they're permanent. The problem is that such swings are very quick and easy to put up and remove, so you will need extensive proof (articles, old photos, reviews etc.) to even be considered, and even if you do get the proof, there is a good chance reviewers won't even read it.
From here.
https://christianeventures.wordpress.com/2018/10/11/old-baldy-mountain-british-columbia/amp/
Well, if they really are good POI, you can always make improvement with nominating them so they will be accepted.
Swings made from ropes looks temporary and mostly are temporary, and it's a normal thing. As others says there, if you can prove it's not temporary it will be accepted.
I also get some nice POIs rejected at first, but I found how can I help them and they were accepted on next try. Mostly doing photospheres to prove real location, making better pictures and adding good support info is the key to get new good POIs.
But if something looks temporary, you have to really work hard to prove it's not temporary. I saw too many nominations with great things (like monuments, churchers) that for sure would be accepted if someone who nominated them didn't thought about placing location on they house rather than on real nominated thing. Or chapels near small villages that photos shows only this chapel (both photos looks the same), map shows nothing (it's in the middle of forest) and you don't have any descrption or support photo to help you. Get 3 nominations like that in a row, one POI you can accept easly, then 2 of some random things like trash bin and someone dog, one flower pot, someone's house. and then this swing and tell me if you would accept it not thinking it's temporary? Not everything can be accepted only believing in what people wrote, it might be sad but it's the truth. If I would get any proof it's not temporary, I would have accepted it, but without it it's temporary for me, that's all.
That's what I'm talking about. Something to support your nomination to show it's not temporary. I would show it in support photo (and would even add link to this blog for proof), I would also do photosphere on that place. I know that it still can be rejected as temporary because this wooden board also looks kinda temporary, but it's a really good improvement for nominations like that.