The Flag That Plagued Ingress
MeekayCat-ING
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Title of the Wayspot: The Flag That Saved Chelmsford
Location: https://intel.ingress.com/intel?pll=42.597968,-71.310821&z=13
City: Chelmsford, Massachusetts
Country: USA
Screenshot of the Rejection Email attached.
Photos to support your claim attached.
Additional information
This wayspot does not offer safe pedestrian access. This wayspot is located on a loading dock of a UPS regional facility. Attached photos demonstrate both the location of the wayspot on a satellite view, and the closest location that can be accessed by most players (in the UPS employee parking lot).
This wayspot should be retired, as it does not meet the eligibility criteria. It is not a great place for exploration (as it is in a loading dock surrounded by a barbed wire, chain link fence). For the same reasons it is not a great place to be social with others, and this loading dock is not a great place for exercise unless you are loading UPS trucks or running to avoid being hit by a truck backing into the loading dock.
This wayspot fails to meet the acceptance criteria, as it is not safely and publicly accessible as it is behind barbed wire in an area where tractor trailer trucks routinely back into a loading dock.
Given the fact this wayspot is inaccessible, it is impossible to determine if the object pictured actually exists, or if it is located in the location where it has been placed.
Additionally, this wayspot meets the description of Rejection Criteria 2: "Location obstructs the driveways of emergency services or may interfere with the operations of fire stations, police stations, hospitals, military bases, industrial sites, power plants, or air traffic control towers." The UPS distribution center is an indusrial site, and the location of a wayspot on a loading dock would interfere with the operations of UPS .
This wayspot also meets the description of Rejection Criteria 3: "Locations that are intentionally and strategically placed to provide advantage to a single player." At present, the wayspot is only accessible to UPS employees and spoofers.
For these reasons, the wayspot should be retired.
Comments
Ridiculous.
The wayspot is accessible to employees, so it is valid.
An information board is of course a great place that invites you to explore.
Wayspots do not have to be publicly accessible!
UPS is not an ambulance service, so no escape routes can be blocked.
"Locations that are intentionally and strategically placed to provide advantage to a single player." - The point ONLY refers to wayspots that were intentionally placed incorrectly or are fake. Whether someone has access is absolutely irrelevant.
You want to damage the Wayspot database out of selfishness just because you don't have access. Was your application to work at UPS rejected or what is the problem?
Here is the view toward the wayspot, taken from the employee parking area. Note the trucks and the barbed wire fence.
Wayspot is accessible to any UPS employee and UPS will hire pretty much anyone. Many people access the wayspot each day in Pokémon GO. The original poster MeekayCat has visited the wayspot in Ingress frequently and has many times neutralized the portal. Seems to me it is accessible even to non-employees.
I agree. This portal is only accessable to employees of UPS.
Point of note: 168m to destroy, 40m to capture. Inaccessible uses the 40m range.
Let's not forget there is no way to document this wayspot even exists, or that it exists at its alleged location.
Of course there is a way. You go there and see for yourself ?!
Since the position is inaccessible, that's kinda hard.
Irrelevant. The same is true of many POIs near conservation areas and the like because trees block the satellite view and there is no Street view available. But you don’t have a problem with those and neither does the Wayfarer community who approved this Wayspot.
As well as anyone who wants to tour the facility.
It is not inaccessible. Employees do have access.
Inaccessible to anyone without a vested interest in keeping it there, thus hard to prove it exists to anyone who believes it isn't there.
Just excuses.
Anyone who is doubtful about the legitimacy of the Wayspot can confirm its existence by taking a tour of the facility.
Remember the new update to the Rejection Criteria:
As I said earlier, many people are accessing the Wayspot across Niantic games daily. Not just one, many.
Literally has nothing to do with the post you responded to. It is intentionally and strategically placed to provide advantage to a single player or collective group (UPS employees and 1 spoofer).
I AGREE FOR 100000 TIMES.
What evidence is there that it provides such an advantage? How large does a “collective group” have to be? Humans are a collective group. I suppose that invalidates every Wayspot because they give humans an advantage.
"Locations that are intentionally and strategically placed to provide advantage to a single player." - The point ONLY refers to wayspots that were intentionally placed incorrectly or are fake. Whether someone has access is absolutely irrelevant.
Does it? There's a big "OR" between the text above and that point.
The author justified it very well:
"It is not a great place for exploration (as it is in a loading dock surrounded by a barbed wire, chain link fence)"
One might say taking a tour of the facility would qualify as exploring it.
As per the November 2020 AMA, that point has nothing to do with Wayspots that are in areas with restricted or limited access. Those are allowed. This guideline is about curbing abuse by Explores who attempt to influance the gameboard of a their Niantic app of choice by submitting fake or misleading nominations or edits.
Then yeah aside from "Doesn't really exist" which Niantic can confirm with a portal scan.
@TheFarix-PGO
Tell me, are you even trying to figure out what's going on? Quoting the rules is not a substitute for understanding.
The topic of this thread should give you food for thought. It's not about "AMA" "Rules" - it's about big problem of the game.
Maybe it should be a separate thread - then you wouldn't insist on the "rules"
We live in a dynamic world and the rules are changing.
And closed portals are unfortunately abused. All it takes is one(!) stubborn player with whom it is impossible to communicate and a stalemate is created. This negatively affects the rest of the community.
Hardly accessible portal - of course.
I still have muddy shoes after the last action.
Closed portal? definitely no.
For reference, this is the same argument we have been having since 2012 as some people want couch portals, and others want them to not have couch portals.
A final resolution will never come based on the discussion of one portal.
It's because of people like you that the game is ruined. This is exactly why we can't have nice things. Because you are absolutely incapable of looking for a job and not really trying to reach these wayspots! You are trying to delete a wayspot or a real sight from the database due to a game. Go play elsewhere if you mind, but don't let other people suffer.
This game thrives on a community that plays by the rules and basic principles of fair play.
Sadly, the game is injured by players who are so intent on "winning," whatever that may mean, they are willing to trash the rules on order to prevail at a virtual reality game. This game is incredibly damaged by spoofers who have locked up the playspace in the northern half of AM01-MIKE-01. They thrive on fielding the entire territory; they magically appear the minute any of their fields are brought down. They have layered fields to the extent that Nashua NH is no longer playable and Niantic has been unwilling or unable to stop it.
This is why an inaccessible portal is such a problem. It may seem like a harmless advantage for the player who can access it, but it becomes the domain of the spoofers as soon as it is discovered. It becomes an anchor for more fields that will disqualify more playspace, because a chain link fence and barbed wire and tractor trailers are no hazard or barrier for a spoofer.
Spoofers are a cancer on the game. Inaccessible portals feed this cancer, spread this cancer. For the sake of the game, these portals that are now described in Rejection Criteria 3 as "locations that are intentionally and strategically placed to provide advantage to a single player," must be retired for the good of the game.
The portal is accessible! All you have to do is apply for a job. How can you be so incompetent and stubborn? It is not the portals that are the problem, but people like you who do everything to change the board due to their own lack of competence.
For the last time: The point "locations that are intentionally and strategically placed to provide advantage to a single player" does not refer to company premises or inaccessible wayspots but to wayspots that were placed in another place to influence one of the games: e.g. moving of a portal to another cell so that it appears in Pokémon Go. This is NOT about accessibility. Niantic has already explained this several times. Learn to read and understand! Please follow the rules. Apply for a job or stop complaining. The problem is not the portal, but you.