Are wineries valid? I submitted one and it was rejected for being private resident/farm.

Its publically accessible, sells wine and had wine tasting.


  • Jtronmoore-PGOJtronmoore-PGO Posts: 1,581 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Do they offer tours of some sort? If they do I can see it for being social. But if its just a winery and nothing else i can see it being rejected

  • Gendgi-PGOGendgi-PGO Posts: 3,253 Ambassador

    Wineries (and breweries) can certainly be eligible. A winery in a vineyard may be easy to mistake as a farm or even private residential property. Make sure your photos focus on a main public building and/or signage that makes it clear as a place of gathering.

  • phthoruth-INGphthoruth-ING Posts: 28 ✭✭

    Wineries are open to public to visit for wine tasting and usually tours.

    I've tried submitting several in a wine region and they've all been rejected.

  • VladDraco-PGOVladDraco-PGO Posts: 560 ✭✭✭✭

    It depends of the region.

    My home location is in France near Bordeaux, and there is so many houses that are also wineries ("château").

    It's not because they also do wine they want people coming in their property, staying here in groups playing on their phones. Or coming with car(s) and just staying parked in the courtyard, at any hour of day and night.

    For us, they are just farms doing wine, and also homes so they are correctly rejected as private residential properties and farms.

  • ChicagoRay312-PGOChicagoRay312-PGO Posts: 67 ✭✭✭

    I’ve found that prudes reject beer and wine related submissions frequently.

  • Oakes1923-PGOOakes1923-PGO Posts: 419 ✭✭✭✭

    resubmit, highlight the public access things. Tours, wine tasting, party/event hosting, etc. I've got several near me that have been approved.

  • phthoruth-INGphthoruth-ING Posts: 28 ✭✭

    Missions get rejected that refer to beer/wine. And I had a wayspot that would not let me submit because the description referred to drugs.

    Are wineries rejected now? All of my recent attempts were rejected as 'farms'

  • dman41689-PGOdman41689-PGO Posts: 240 ✭✭✭

    wineries are ok but if people live there it is considered a private farm and will get rejected, just because people go there and they do tours doesn't change anything. so just be careful and do some research before submitting. there are many wineries that don't have people living on the property

  • MargariteDVille-INGMargariteDVille-ING Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In the U.S., there's a legal property zoning for single family residences. In most places, you can't have a public-facing business in a place zoned single-family-residence. For example, someone in a house in a zoned neighborhood can't have a shop in their basement, where the public pulls into their driveway and makes purchases. There are often other restrictions. Also, a property's zoning affects what taxes it pays, and what kind of insurance it needs.

    A single-family house on a farm can fall under the same zoning laws, taxes, etc - but this nuance confused people, because they thought it only included neighborhood-type houses. So many jurisdictions added a "or farmhouse" type clause to the legal zoning title.

    SO in the homeowners-vs-Niantic class-action lawsuit settlement, "or farm" was included.

    If a vineyard (grape farm) has public tours, they had to first get zoning changed away from single family residence.

    However, most people don't know the legalities (and they are strictly American). And of course Niantic doesn't explain.

    SO, any nomination on farm property can be hard to get approved. And an appeal depends on what instruction the appeal-reviewers have received... so I wouldn't hold my breath on an appeal either.

    I've worked many years in IT on systems that required knowing what zoning is in effect where.

  • Pokeygardener-PGOPokeygardener-PGO Posts: 27 ✭✭

    My interpretation of Niantic’s guidance on wineries/breweries was that if it is just sold as a place to go consume liquor, it falls under same guidance as liquor stores. If, however, they offer tours, trivia, live music, theme nights, etc. then they can be accepted as a great place to be social. However, lately I’ve seen many accepted that I did not pass because it had no information on any social functions that would make it eligible to be accepted. Has the Wayfarer community become complacent on this? Should we now be accepting breweries just because it’s a brewery or any average winery? Would love to hear thoughts.

  • Elijustrying-INGElijustrying-ING Posts: 2,742 Ambassador

    It is a classic case of worldwide differences as to what this sort of set up means.

    it is best to use the supplementary text to its fullest to allow a submitter to make the case….and reviewers should take time to read, check and absorb.

  • Janetx68-PGOJanetx68-PGO Posts: 53 ✭✭✭
    edited January 6

    Much to my surprise, I recently got a winery accepted where I emphasized that there were social events available there (and linked to their Facebook page to prove it) and that it wasn't just open to adults.

    Of course, I managed to get a lovely picnic area denied on the same day, so clearly I don't know what the F reviewers want.

  • X0bai-PGOX0bai-PGO Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is it a great place to socialize, explore, or exercise?

    If it’s just a farm, then no.

    If it’s a public event space that hosts groups, offers tours, and serves as a place to go for a special experience, then yes.

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