U.K POSTBOXES (with context and history this time)
First off I'd like to say I appreciate your time, and my question below is not meant to attack anyone.
Please read to the end.
Today a misleading leading and biased question was put forward and I feel
1. The answer given by Niantic lacked all the facts, knowledge and context required to give an informed answer 2. Has still not clarified the issue
The question was regarding UK Post Boxes.
I want to address some issues. Firstly it is the opinion amongst the VAST majority of the wayfarer community that all post boxes expect ERII should be accepted as good points of interest.
In your answer you stated only boxes that have ‘been painted with a mural or are historic for some reason' are eligible. This is a very broad statement which is barely relevant to the question. I want to address these two points;
- In the UK post boxes CAN NOT BE ‘painted with a mural’, it is a criminal offence to desecrate a post box in this manor. British post boxes are protected by the UK Department for Culture. Post boxes in the UK differ from the rest of the world. Yes there are a few painted a different colour to celebrate certain events, but the response containing the word ‘murals’ makes no sense.
- ALL post boxes in the UK EXCEPT ERII could and SHOULD be considered historic.
Lets have a little post box history lesson
Pox boxes in this country have been around for hundreds of years, the ones that are still in use are the red pillar style boxes.
There are many different types, each is marked with the royal cipher of the reigning monarch at the time (historic value right there).
Here is a VERY brief history of post box ciphers and their monarchs.
VR – Queen Victoria
Queen Victoria reigned from 1853-1901. The post boxes put up in this time are particularly interesting as there are many variants. There is the well know ‘VR’ box, but also cypher less boxes which were created as mistake and are still kept for this historical significance. Boxes installed during her reign popularised the iconic red style pillar box. (6373)
EVIIR - King Edward VII
Hand finished with the Edward VII Royal Cypher, this rare post box was erected during the monarch's reign between 1901 and 1910. 9 years is a short reign which limits the amount of these boxes that were installed. (4382)
GRV – King George V
This post box was made during the reign of King George V during 1910 -1936. These post boxes are adorned with his royal cipher and are much rarer that the current ER boxes. Again there are many variants of this type of box each with their own history. (17176)
EVIIIR- King Edward VIII
Edward only reigned from 20 January 1936 until his abdication on the 11 December 1936, just 326 days! Meaning very few post boxes bearing this cipher were installed. Only about 150 are estimated to exist in the UK. (~148)
GRVI – King George VI
George the VI reigned from 1936-1952, just 15 years making this post box rarer than current ER boxes. (9410)
ERII - Elizabeth II
Put up between 1952-recently. The most abundant box with limited historical significance however there are some design variations amongst certain boxes which could be considered interesting. However their lack of uniqueness and the fact Elizabeth still reigns limits their value as a POI . Their numbers far out weight the other past boxes. (69221)
I would like to add this quote taken from ‘Historic England’
“Post boxes make a significant contribution to the character and appearance of the areas in which they are located. In 2002, English Heritage (now Historic England) and Royal Mail, with the approval of the Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS), agreed a joint policy for the retention and conservation of ALL Royal Mail post boxes.”
That’s how important and historically significant ALL previous monarch post boxes are in the UK.
So as you can see there are many variants of box for each monarch, each with its own history and story to tell. In fact there are 825 different types/sub types. In the UK there are many post box aficionados, and a quick google search will reveal many websites are dedicated to tracking and locating these boxes and sharing their history and locations. They are quintessentially British, and to compare them to standard mail boxes present in other countries is quite frankly an insult on British culture.
To further my point that post boxes make great POIs
- They're well distributed which means even in new developments with no other POIs there is often a box which they could be submitted.
- Safe to access, by their very nature they are safely accessible.
- Represented in the most rural areas where a whole village many have none or few POIs.
- They already form a vast part of the portal/pokestop network, preventing people from submitting them now would simply be unfair.
- Even though there are thousands across the whole of the UK, when you break that down into distribution, some towns will only have 1 or 2 across a large area so its not like you’re over loading the portal network.
- Things like coin operated amusement rides are considered good POIs according to your AMAs, yet they are mass produced, abundant and have NO historical significance yet can be POIs.
- Tourist attraction/gathering spot. Apart from their intended use, many tourists jump at the chance to be photographed with our boxes. If you get a souvenir from holiday they often feature the double bus, black cab and red phone/post boxes.
Please could you revise your answer to clarify that all boxes EXCEPT the most abundant ERII boxes from the current present monarch make good POIs.
EDIT: I would like to add, MANY comments on the original question made compelling arguments I had not thought to mention. I urge you to read @TheAuraStorm-ING @gazzas89-PGO @StayInTheBaII-PGO @Ech0Tom-ING @Pangarban-INGs comments, I think they will prove insightful, and echo the voices of the many rather than the few.