How did u guys handle "Schützenverein"

Hello,

im from Germany and i got several times votes request for "Schützenverein", in english its calles maybe **** club. Normally i would say its against the criteria. But in Germany there is a big tradition aorund these clubs. I dont know if someone from outside germany know anything about it. Once a year u celebrate these by a contest, mostly with a funfair (carnival). The people wear special traditionel dress. At the Contest they will get a new Kingsfamily, with King, Quenn etc. Before the Contest beginns they march threw the village to the old King and Queen with Musik and tradtionel dance?

Maybe u will understand if u take a short look at Youtube. Insert "Schützenfest"

So tell me, how would u vote?

Comments

  • HannesTheHammer-PGOHannesTheHammer-PGO Posts: 97 ✭✭✭

    Depends on the submission. A historical clubhouse? Why not? A 'Verein' is a pretty good example of a place to be social

  • Xmacke7x-INGXmacke7x-ING Posts: 220 ✭✭✭✭

    Clubs like a Schützenverein are pretty good candidates. But you need something which represents the club like a Schützenhaus, Vereinsheim, Schützenplatz or a info board of the club. In my neighborhood is a Schützenhaus and I got it approved first try

  • PkmnTrainerJ-INGPkmnTrainerJ-ING Posts: 5,127 Ambassador

    A club for ****? I’d say this falls under this rejection criteria:

    Location is an adult-oriented store or service, such as a liquor store, **** range, firearm store, or provides **** and/or pornographic content

  • Ark4242-PGOArk4242-PGO Posts: 154 ✭✭✭

    I think in America, we'd call them "gun clubs" or "rifle ranges" and "Location is an adult-oriented store or service, such as a liquor store, **** range, firearm store, or provides **** and/or pornographic content" is clearly listed under "Ineligible". Not to mention, I wouldn't really consider a place where people might be **** guns at targets outdoors as "safe" for random outside pedestrians to walk around.

  • Ark4242-PGOArk4242-PGO Posts: 154 ✭✭✭

    so um,why is the verb to fire a gun censored here?

  • Ark4242-PGOArk4242-PGO Posts: 154 ✭✭✭
    edited April 2021
  • TWVer-INGTWVer-ING Posts: 792 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't think these are gun clubs. They are bow and arrow clubs. They are not adults only. I think they make great wayspots.

  • Xmacke7x-INGXmacke7x-ING Posts: 220 ✭✭✭✭

    You can not compare a **** range in America or a gun club with a Schützenverein here in Germany. It is way different.

  • Rodensteiner-PGORodensteiner-PGO Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here in Germany that is a totally different thing. Schützenvereine is just a Sports Club.

  • LukeAllStars-INGLukeAllStars-ING Posts: 4,625 Ambassador

    Its more like a small cummunity, not like a firing range. This is similar to youth clubs, which are also completely different than in other countries.

  • Ark4242-PGOArk4242-PGO Posts: 154 ✭✭✭

    Honestly, I googled the word, and Google translate gave me that, while Google images showed a bunch of people with full length rifles in every picture. Maybe everybody in Germany shares a different understanding of the word and meaning and would vote accordingly.

  • Pennry-PGOPennry-PGO Posts: 41 ✭✭
    edited April 2021

    The Wikpedia summary says:

    "A Schützenverein is a local voluntary association found in German-speaking countries revolving around **** as a sport, often target **** to Olympic rules or with historic weapons."

    So as an outsider, I'd google it, get that, and vote adult orientated.

  • LukeAllStars-INGLukeAllStars-ING Posts: 4,625 Ambassador

    I still think that a club house is not a firing range. Club houses are okay while firing ranges are ineligible. At least thats how I deal with them.

  • TWVer-INGTWVer-ING Posts: 792 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Then you should change the way you review, because you would be wrong. If you Google images for Schützenverein, you'll find plenty of photo's with kids in them. Some even with medals around their necks, suggesting they participate.

    Adult oriented in the Wayfarer context means that kids aren't welcome. This is clearly not the case here. An average bar/café should also not be rejected for adult oriented.

  • TheFarix-PGOTheFarix-PGO Posts: 5,063 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Youth **** sports occur all over the US as well. In fact, there is an entire organization, the Youth **** Sports Association, dedicated to promoting the sport in all of its form (firearms, archery, etc.) and firearm safty. But Niantic has declared them as all falling under the "adult-oriented" category. Simply put, Niantic doesn't want Wayspots at locations that promotes "gun culture" in general.

  • Pennry-PGOPennry-PGO Posts: 41 ✭✭

    Rejection criteria says nothing about if children are allowed or not, just adult-orientated. It also specifies **** range. So, by the above wiki summary, it's a rejection. But again, that's from an outsider's point of view. I would expect Germans to know more about them and would expect them to have way more information in their descriptions and supporting information. Even then, I would advise anyone submitting them to expect a harder sell just in case.

  • LukeAllStars-INGLukeAllStars-ING Posts: 4,625 Ambassador

    Thats one WF problem:

    International reviewing...

    I cant really rate POIs from other countries. I know that in Denmark, trail markers are way easier to get approved than in Germany. I know that theres a special "code" for nominations from Poland which will get approved because of it (like a codeword which teils the reviewer to approved this one), I know that things like the discussed "Schützenverein" as well as German youth Clubs are different in other parts of the world.


    All of this lead to changes in your personal raring. I have heared about a player sitting right next to a polish review area keep on struggling with the "good/great" WF rating, while I never had such problems. Like this, a strange review style will grow and you can easily lose your great status because of it.

  • Guendinger-PGOGuendinger-PGO Posts: 13 ✭✭

    The present wording of "rejection criteria" - "Ineligible location, place, or object" is: "Location is an adult-oriented store or service, such as a liquor store, **** range, firearm store, or provides **** and/or adult content". So it is about stores or services that are adult oriented, and the **** range is an example for this. Hence, **** ranges are meant, and limited to those, that are frequented by adults. It is reasonable to assume that the author of the rejection criteria had a **** range for firearms in mind, and not a place where old and young practise **** with bow and arrow or with air guns. . And the author had arguably a **** range as such in mind, not a clubhouse/Vereinsheim, because these are not adult-oriented, but are a place where old and young meet. By the way, in Germany, minors are not allowed to practise with firearms, only air guns.

    Even though in Germany the clubhouse/Vereinsheim is usually spatially very close to the firing range/Schießstand, and frequently are in the same building, there are examples where a **** club/Schützenverein has not even its own firing range/Schießstand. They do their meetings in one place, and practise **** in another. Or they have the possibility to practise only with air guns, and have to use an external place for practising with firearms. So, one should distinguish between the clubhouse and the **** range, and when a **** club/Schützenverein is nominated, the clubhouse as such is likely to be meant, and not the **** range - otherwise they would give it the title "**** range/Schießstand".

    Summarizing, the rejection criteria is clearly fulfilled if a **** range/Schießstand is nominated. It should not be fulfilled for nominations of a **** club/Schützenverein - in such a case the decision should depend on the intention of the nominator, expressed by title, description and photos.


    Addendum: Being a marksman myself for over 35 years, practising with air guns, bow and arrow and also firearms, the first thing that comes to my mind when I see a nomination of a Schützenverein is the clubhouse, not the firing range. This is just my personal reaction on such a nomination, but I may not be the only one in Germany who identifies the Schützenverein with its cultural meaning, not with the **** range as such.

  • Guendinger-PGOGuendinger-PGO Posts: 13 ✭✭

    Apparently, here is no one who can provide an answer to this. I guess that behind this is the fear of being sued.

    What is even more intriguing, even the verbatim quote of the "rejection criteria" - "Ineligible location, place, or object" obviously contains unwelcome words - look at my previous post, even there some words have been blanked out :-)

  • Ark4242-PGOArk4242-PGO Posts: 154 ✭✭✭

    yeah I copied the same quote directly from the rules and got the same censorship. It's just insane how many random words show up as ******* for no real reason. I got hit on a 3 letter word starting with f and ending with t yesterday. Doesn't make any sense.

  • Guendinger-PGOGuendinger-PGO Posts: 13 ✭✭

    I'm not so sure that "Doesn't make any sense" is absolutely right, one has to assess the situation from the respective cultural and legal background. I only wanted to point to a discrepancy between how the wording of the wayfarer instructions differs from what words are allowed here in the community. But maybe this makes sense from the viewpoint of the country in which the respective web portal is hosted or the company's HQ is.

    But this discussion is digressing from the original intention of this thread, namely how to handle Schützenverein in Germany or ***** clubs as such (i.e. not *****-ranges, these are clearly inadmissible) in other countries.

    So, after a greater deal of thinking :-) I came to the conclusion to not reject a Schützenverein, unless it is evident that not the club as a cultural entity is meant, but the *****-range. D'accord?

  • Ark4242-PGOArk4242-PGO Posts: 154 ✭✭✭

    Sorry, I was saying the random words being censored doesn't make any sense.


    I agree that the local community should determine what these clubs are and vote based on that. My image, if I saw these in America, would be a hard reject. But I don't know German culture enough to say what people in Germany should do

  • D0UG1E-PGOD0UG1E-PGO Posts: 12 ✭✭

    Growing up in rural America, such activities are quite common. There is a significant difference between rural America and Urban America. My high school still has a firing range in the basement (no longer used as such, however), and archery is still part of the curriculum using longbows. Due to the majority of players (and therefore reviewers) being from urban communities, I think the general consensus would be an automatic reject. However, I agree with the poster that a clear delineation between the firing range and the clubhouse is an important distinction as it is generally the difference between the act of doing and the act of learning. The clubhouse is typically where the visitor learns to clean, fix, and properly store the item, as well as the process and safety requirements of hunting.

  • Eneeoh-PGOEneeoh-PGO Posts: 749 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just hope @NianticTintino gets the full **** experience of attempting to read this gun club, **** range, fit or **** censorship thread in all its glory. I tire of **** through all these asterisks, and I don’t believe we should be handicapped in this manner.

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