Dear Niantic, Would you do something to stop Disagree Sta.lkers on Wayfarer forum?
TheKingEngine-ING
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I’ve received massive “Disagree”s here because I’ve been reporting a lot of fake portals and players who defend those fake portals and who feel very sad and angry after their removal came to do “Disagree Attack”, while some posts have been removed by error by moderators in the “archiving campaign”. Nevertheless I have the links for reactions throughout those posts because even if posts are removed, the reactions are still restored in the database but they are too trivial so I’d leave them alone.
Still, there are two players keeping sta.lking my every new comment and post to do Disagree. Especially there is one player clicks at a percentage of 100%. If you go to https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/profile/reactions/LuoboTiX-ING?Page=&reaction=disagree you may see that many comments or posts are presented with 1 or 2 Disagree stably under all circumstances.
To avoid defaming anyone I won’t say who they are as you could check by yourself.
Take one of my invalid portal report or location edit posts as an example:
Take one of my comments supplementing documents and evidence for removal as an example:
https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/comment/34433#Comment_34433
This is not distributing information for readers to exploit some loopholes or hack into something; the fact that we could see the results via the link means our forum accounts are allowed and have the authorization to see so, and it's a common knowledge among IT developers. Just like the common knowledge between us that responsible, good forum users should not do Disagree sta.lking, isn't it?
@NianticCasey-ING I suppose “All-Time-Disagree-Attack” like this violates Wayfarer Community Guideline https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/5/community-guidelines/p1
because it’s purely sta.lking and offensive. Would you kindly do something including sending a warning to make that problematic player stop doing so?
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Disagrees have no impact on your forum ranking and the Forum ranking is also irelevant. Dont be anoyed by them :)
Yes, I'm never worried about that. I'm just reporting an issue, on the premise that I'm not defaming anyone or violating the rules, that might be exploited by some Wayfarer rules breakers I found to forum moderators in order to make Wayfarer forum better, as the classic "Flag Reporting" feature which is the recommended way of reporting problems on the forum is not feasible for reporting such hidden issue. Cheers.
So tempting just to click "disagree" on your post, just for fun............. 😂
I got a couple of "disagrees" on one of my posts the other day. The conundrum was not "why are they giving disagrees, will my rating be effected?", just "Are they trolls or just plain stupid?"
Most disagrees I got are from toxic people not understanding that you cant appeal rejected PokeStop submissions, fights between fractions and people that are "pro-fake-POIs". There will be like 20% of my disagrees that I can understand.
disagree stalkers? ... is this something about not getting life-points through the likes/dislikes in the internet world?
a bit sad if you are SO focus on that.
Its a forum, give your opinion and/or debate.
Did you see the latest comment where disagree stalker has upgraded and started resorting to "home attack"?
As I clearly stated, I don't care about how many disagree I received, I was reporting a potential ab.use to Niantic.
When you see something strange and abnormal you should report it to Niantic and let them judge. This is suggested by Niantic.
Perhaps a public forum is not the right place to report this sort of abuse? Doing it publicly often exacerbates the issue.
For me the 'disagree' option is a slightly odd one. It feels like people often just click it and move on. In those cases it doesn't really add anything to the threads or discussion. Whereas it would be much more beneficial to get a range of well thought out views and alternative suggestions in the discussion, so it encourages useful debate. In that case a 'disagree' is not necessarily a bad thing, we don't all think the same after all.
Unfortunately, it feels like people don't often want to engage like that and so just throw in a 'disagree'. To me if it is just a random 'disagree' with no further useful discussion added then it just has to be ignored, plain and simple.
The concept of 'disagree stalkers' is a strange one, it seems like a fairly meaningless way to spend your evenings and spare time. I guess it can be annoying for victims and so it is good that they don't count towards anything.
Completely correct. As more as you show that disagrees annoy you, as more trolls/harrasment you will get.ü
The 'claps' function in Medium helps gauge as to whether someone's work, comments or contribution are worthy or notable.
The Ingress Community Forums are a massive disagree-fest. Nothing pertains to anyone in particular and absolutely everything is contestable. Can't please everyone is the right way to describe it.
Sadly, these forums are starting to tilt widely in the same way. Giving sound, correct advice regarding criteria is often met with disagrees for hard pills to ****, i.e. why a certain something doesn't meet criteria. Slightly having a different opinion can just mean disagrees all around. Believing that a certain mechanic of Wayfarer that by one-starring certain questions in review will result in a rejection reason of the so-called certain questions, they absolutely declare over and over again that they will be met by disagrees... and it happens anyway.
With someone starting one side of the discussion, another person can't just nod their head thinking that they're wrong and just click the sad face saying that they disagree. But everyone knows... if they were to actually post their rebuttal and advise against, it will just result in the incessant toxicity where a Niantic staff member has to close the thread down, meanwhile while every single post in that thread is getting a mass amount of disagrees.
I disagree to disagree. Numerous topics discussed on this forum can and do influence people's decisions, and there are many cases where there is potential for tangible consequences to result from misinformation. i.e. who wins, a post saying a statue in front of a school is eligible with one disagree, or the other person saying that it isn't with four other disagrees?
Also I find it annoying that Niantic is happy to let censored or real harassment flow through in the forums, while on the other hand a 5-star Wayfarer user who is submitting an Invalid Wayspot Appeal with even just one photo has to have moderation approval that takes days. Que?
Niantic Support has fully expressed their attitudes on relevant topic:
@LuoboTiX While I understand your frustration, let me clarify that getting disagrees will not affect your account in any way. It will, however, show who doesn't agree with your statement/ post. I understand that you'd like an explanation behind those disagrees, but it is up to them. Jumping to conclusions and accusing someone might only agitate them further and is also against our players' guidelines. We have many users both here and in the wayfarer community who often report abuses and are sometimes bombarded with "disagree", but they do not affect our decisions. Other users (both the parties) are also aware of the source of those disagrees. PS: In the above example (referring to my comment), disagrees sometimes help us find possible abusers.Thus, reporting a potential abu.se does help sometimes. And I am not really caring about how many disagrees I received and am glad to know that it would not affect the decision. That's all.
Jumping to conclusions and accusing someone might only agitate them further and is also against our players' guidelines.
Yes, you could never say that anyone who does 100% disagree on your comments and posts are disagree stal.kers because he/she must have good reasons for doing that and there is no need to let you know. Otherwise you are jumping to conclusions, right?
The root cause of the problem you mentioned and a lot of problems is that both forums/Niantic teams are pursuing "order", though it does not equal political correctness directly, not justice or fairness. Yes, not justice.
I don't know. I've just copied that quote from @NianticBlue reply. I wouldn't ever bother to check who clicks disagree on my posts.
Thanks for the help as a man-made Internet Archive Machine.