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Distance Preschool?

40m from preschool are the smallest distance and same as from private area? Please explain @NianticCasey-ING @NianticKN-ING

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  • Diskrepansi-INGDiskrepansi-ING Posts: 62 ✭✭✭
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    I'm confused: you started out by indicating "200 meters or more from daycare". Now you're saying "it is 100 meters from the preschool." Your own argument is not instilling confidence in what you're presenting here.

    Having said that, it could be made more clear that this is a multi-family residential building with a daycare attached, since it does seem to be interpreted instead that this whole area is "school property". Perhaps avoid the use of the word "preschool" simply because it includes the word "school".


    Based on my own (current) understanding of criteria, I would agree that this should be allowed. The image provided does clearly show that it's by the parking lot (where my provided image's pin is located), not within the fenced playground area.

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  • jontebula-INGjontebula-ING Posts: 92 ✭✭✭
    edited April 2020

    Farfar

    Ståthållaregatan 35, 392 47 Kalmar


    Way reviewers always dont accept and say the wayspot are on daycare location when it is 200 meters and more from daycare. Agents or Pokémon GO players report it faild when the wayspot are live and Niantic faild remove the wayspot. It is not on daycare location and 200 meters or more from daycare.

  • AgentB0ss-INGAgentB0ss-ING Posts: 553 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jontebula-ING That link shows the statue is literally within a couple meters as the building with the pre-school is in.

  • jontebula-INGjontebula-ING Posts: 92 ✭✭✭
    edited April 2020

    Faild it is 100 meters from the preschool. You can look at the distance with the ruler in Google Maps.

  • Theisman-INGTheisman-ING Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭✭✭

    According to the map and the location youve just give it shows as being on the school building


  • AgentB0ss-INGAgentB0ss-ING Posts: 553 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Based on the google maps link provided that is clearly on the Pre-School Grounds.

  • Diskrepansi-INGDiskrepansi-ING Posts: 62 ✭✭✭
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    I'm confused: you started out by indicating "200 meters or more from daycare". Now you're saying "it is 100 meters from the preschool." Your own argument is not instilling confidence in what you're presenting here.

    Having said that, it could be made more clear that this is a multi-family residential building with a daycare attached, since it does seem to be interpreted instead that this whole area is "school property". Perhaps avoid the use of the word "preschool" simply because it includes the word "school".


    Based on my own (current) understanding of criteria, I would agree that this should be allowed. The image provided does clearly show that it's by the parking lot (where my provided image's pin is located), not within the fenced playground area.

  • Diskrepansi-INGDiskrepansi-ING Posts: 62 ✭✭✭

    Agreed; however, this is not a K-12 school, and shares the property with a multi-family residence (apartment building). Perhaps it is different elsewhere, but around here (Canada) the tots are never publicly accessible while within the daycare property - unlike a K-12 school, where the field - and therefore the children in it - is publicly accessible and should therefore be avoided.

  • jontebula-INGjontebula-ING Posts: 92 ✭✭✭
    edited April 2020

    Not the preschool building it is outside retirement home called Stensbergshemnet. Your location not are on the location Farfar are.

  • AgentB0ss-INGAgentB0ss-ING Posts: 553 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Literally when you open the LINK you provided it clearly says Pre-School within 10 meters of the Farfar. The building is literally within feet. While there is also a retirement home the buildings all connect and thats too close.

  • Diskrepansi-INGDiskrepansi-ING Posts: 62 ✭✭✭

    Sorry, but I'm now unclear on something; here you're stating that the distance matters, yet previously you've indicated "There is no 40m rule for school grounds, as long as it is not on school property/border wall you can submit it". Is distance an issue or not?

    Are you suggesting that the daycare/preschool owns the property that the retirement home is on? I would expect that they're renting the unit that they're in - as such, I would also expect that their "property" is the rented unit space and the associated fenced play area.

    If the nominated object is not on the property, nor is there a distance rule, then how is this "too close"? I'm honestly looking for greater clarity here, since the criteria provided by Niantic is often not well defined. Do you know of a ruling that clarifies this?

    Lastly, I would point out that this is not "school grounds". Daycares (here, anyway) are privately owned businesses with no access to the children who attend; ie. outdoor play areas are fenced off (as this location is) and kids are signed in/out by parents. This is entirely unlike "school grounds" where anyone can simply walk onto the grounds and have access to the kids; ie. safety and liability issue.

    If daycares/preschools were to fall into the same category as K-12, I don't think Niantic would have simply indicated "K-12".

    Again, please do point me in the direction of any official clarifications on this matter; I'm not simply trying to get under your skin. ;)

  • Diskrepansi-INGDiskrepansi-ING Posts: 62 ✭✭✭

    Good stuff, thanks! Much appreciated, I really wish they'd consolidate these things so criteria is not spread out over multiple pages.

    Now, having said that, this is also the first place that I've read that private daycare center is ineligible (don't get me wrong, this totally makes sense) but is presented like it's already a "known" ruling. Is this initial ruling somewhere else??

    I would also want to know more about the limits/boundaries of "property". Sharing a physical building and any associated property space isn't very clear definition; ie. a daycare in a mall would invalidate the entire mall and property/parking lot? Further example: around here, many community centers and churches have daycares in them, yet there are PoI's all around. That a daycare exists there can sometimes be (IMHO) easily determined much like this particular OP's example: fenced in play area. Other daycares in this area are also close to PoI's... so if there's no distance regulation (eg. 40m), then what is "too close"?

    I know this is now a bit of a tangent, but since this seems to be based on "child safety", I honestly don't understand why ANY playground would be valid, as has been indicated in criteria clarifications (somewhere, lost over the various pages). Thoughts?

  • AgentB0ss-INGAgentB0ss-ING Posts: 553 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This may also help you. This is a link to a PDF version of the old candidate action guide: https://imgur.com/a/pznLO7T

    Okay as far as stuff like malls and playgrounds. Try to look at the intent of the whole location. Malls for example are the locations available to people of all ages. The primary intent isnt for people within a K12 range. I know playgrounds seem kind of counter productive and so it seems like its against this ruling. However, Niantics ruling on playgrounds as allowed, generally Playgrounds are areas for kids to play and parents to socialize so I can see some justification there.

  • Diskrepansi-INGDiskrepansi-ING Posts: 62 ✭✭✭

    Thanks for the PDF! Again, much appreciated as I'm wanting to be as consistent as possible with guidelines, and I really like the specific list that's provided! That part is great! Was this consolidated by a user, or is this actually an official document?

    Sadly, though, this still doesn't clarify some things. Examples:

    • there is no mention of "daycare/preschool", but does specifically mention "primary/secondary schools" (wording was even italicized for emphasis); without specific clarification, I would still submit that child safety (if this is the actual concern) is maintained at daycares due to access restrictions like fencing and sign in/out requirements.
    • public parks: does not indicate the need for a sign or other object to represent it, though this has been clearly noted in other clarifications; that is, one cannot simply nominate an empty field, though this description would not exclude such a nomination
    • "natural features" denotes such naturally occurring things like "a lake, river, stream, mountain, volcano, waterfall, etc."; I would offer that man-made landscaping can be absolutely gorgeous, took human time and effort, and has to be maintained; I would (want to) indicate these as "works of art using natural products" but are certainly not "natural" in the category of a lake or volcano...
    • This doesn't address how to deal with "combo" places; ie. the aforementioned church/daycare or community center/daycare, and loads of these are PoI's (at least, around here). This does apply to this OP's location as well, I think, being an apartment/daycare combo to a degree, though the distance and/or property boundary question remains in my mind.

    Regarding reviewing the intent of the building as a whole: with this in mind, then, I would still submit that in this OP's case, the building's intent, particularly closest the object submitted, is for multi-family dwelling. That is - the daycare could be replaced with another commercial entity, but the apartments will always be a multi-family dwelling, though perhaps just not for retirement folks. Just like the mall example you've provided, this multi-family dwelling is accessible to people of all ages (in this case, retired folks plus any visitors).

    Just my two cents. :) And as I've said before, I know this is (partially) getting onto a tangent.

    And hey - thanks for the civil discourse. Too often these things get all heated... over a game.

  • jontebula-INGjontebula-ING Posts: 92 ✭✭✭

    I look now with ruler in Google Maps it is 65m from preschool. It is 2 buildings i same building. I get the answere here no 40m and follow criteria. It is portal now. I hope no agents report it again and Niantic faild remove the portal Farfar.

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