Shopping Plaza
Iongdistances-PGO
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Under the new criteria, would this be accepted? It’s even got a little hangout area and everything by the Chuck E. Cheese’s.
Under the new criteria, would this be accepted? It’s even got a little hangout area and everything by the Chuck E. Cheese’s.
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What kind of supporting info did you use? "Home of many stores" does little to convince reviewers that this is a place to be social.
those things are a easy 5* (the name sign for the shopping mall plaza) in my country. but would improve the description.
What should I put for the description? It was rejected for being a “generic business”
I did put “No portals/pokestops in this area..” in there which is bad and I realize, but it is home to many local small business and as well as some chain businesses. It has a local hangout area in the corner and a couple restaurants. Any suggestions?
No, these are tno the plaza's that Niantic is talking about. They are just a group of retail stores with no place to socialize.
From the photo, this is not eligible. In Niantic’s clarification they state just a row of stores is ineligible and that is what this appears to be.
In your post you mention there is a hangout area near the Chuck E Cheese but I don’t see Chuck E Cheese listed on the sign or in the background of the photo.
@Iongdistances-PGO is this one ? https://www.trcretail.com/los-angeles/canyon-plaza/
My suggestion:
Title: Sun Valley Canyon Plaza
Description: Placed amidst a densely populated and extremely strong trade area, this shopping plaza offers a great place to have high traffic and excellent visibility around Sun Valley area for locally-own busineses.
Support Information: to anchor the plaza, i used the sign. Shopping plaza a great place to socialize. https://www.trcretail.com/los-angeles/canyon-plaza/
Support photo: Take maybe 20-30 steps away from that sign and then turn your camera to the sign, and take photo.
Put the location pin on that sign.
good luck!
ahaha and @Iongdistances-PGO never say "we dont have many pokestops". Some reviewers will instant-1* it just because of that :)
Can someone please point me to where a random comment from niantic user point that shopping plaza are ineligible?
You still have to prove the plaza meets the criteria. With your description and supporting info you havent provided anything that shows it meets criteria so it would get rejected for sure. How is it a great place to socialize? Just saying it is makes it look like your just throwing stuff on it to make it look eligible without even providing an example
...... aren't shopping plazas intrinsically great places to socialize? so, why bother made up more stuff?
the same i apply to the picnic areas, plazas/squares, water fountains (not the ones inside lakes), etc. There are tons of valid stuff that intrinsically are what niantic guidelines look for, why stress myself making up stuff if the thing itself is already a good poi?
in this case, LESS is MORE. sometimes, 3-4 words in the description are enough to increase the POI validation.
The original nomination from @Iongdistances-PGO was already good on its own. The description could be improved. no clear reject reason on its own. The only bad part about expose this specific nom from @Iongdistances-PGO , is that the user completely burned down its chances of having it accepted.
Considering there quick rejection I would say they are not intrinsically eligible.
Also you aren’t making up stuff either the plaza has a place to socialize or it doesn’t. This is what can make it eligible or ineligible.
Not a problem, I'll be glad to clarify! They should be evaluated based on the criteria "a place to be social with others".
Secondly, a Wayspot should always be connected to an object. Just five shops in a row are not eligible but if there is an information board for the **** mall, they can be accepted.
That is NianticGiffard’s clarification in the Shopping Plaza post about 5 below this thread. They states plazas should be evaluated based on the criteria of “a place to be social” but that means they should still be evaluated for any rejection criteria, which generic business or mass produced is a rejection criteria. I don’t think they meant for us to get hung up on the exact number of five shops, just that a row of generic shops is not eligible.
I’m sorry my copying skills aren’t great for this yet, I’ll have to ask @Gendgi-PGO how they always make it look so nice when they do it.
Hahah the stars say str!p, I edited it thinking it was a typo but silly me, clearly they did it for a reason.
Shopping plazas, like the one you submitted, are often nothing more than a general outdoor facing shopping mall. While a "plaza" is listed as an example of "a great place to be social with others," reviewers saw your particular nomination as being "generic and uninteresting."
While saying "No portals/pokestops in this area" is not alone a reason to reject, you also didn't offer any advice to the reviewers why this plaza is important and a place that facilitates being social with others. I like the effort @pkmnsearch2-PGO put in, but I still think a little more should focus on this particular plaza and the attractions that draw people to it. You aren't writing or offering a tour guide, but, generally speaking, you should be appealing to the audience, especially with something that tends to be subjective.
You also mentioned the Chuck E Cheese. While some may consider that a generic chain, I think you might have a chance with that.
I agree about the Chuck E Cheese, the one in my city is accepted. It’s an indoor playground with space to gather for birthday parties and socialization.
the only things niantic user said was: (https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/10030/need-clarification-about-shopping-plaza)
1 - Interesting question, @AkaganiN0Shanks-PGO! As you're aware, Parks and Plazas should be an eligible nomination as they are public places. Concurring to what @LukeAllStars-PGO and @Pangarban-ING mentioned Shopping Plazas should be eligible however should have multiple shops/stores.
Secondly, someone may have already made a nomination on various objects/placemarkers around entrances, which could lead to a rejection (as a duplicate).
Last but not the least, while submitting a nomination please enter detailed information of the nomination in the description on how it should be eligible so reviewers while voting on them should have better idea & understanding. I hope you find this helpful, all the best!
2- Not a problem, I'll be glad to clarify! They should be evaluated based on the criteria "a place to be social with others".
Secondly, a Wayspot should always be connected to an object. Just five shops in a row are not eligible but if there is an information board for the str!p mall, they can be accepted.
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...about the last part. "Just five shops in a row are not eligible but if there is an information board for the str!p mall, they can be accepted." I think the niantic user wanted to say "just because you see 5 shops in a row that doesnt mean that place/area its a shopping plaza; shopping plazas need to be REAL shopping plazas, with a sign/information board to anchor the plaza"
for example, The same logic can be applied "just because you see a green landscape, that doesnt mean it is a football field, you need to have the goal nets to say its a football field"
"...but that means they should still be evaluated for any rejection criteria, which generic business or mass produced is a rejection criteria"
Sure, ORC or the "A generic business, chain, or franchise that is not locally unique" could be applied to the shopping plaza.
But never saw a shopping plaza that would fullfill that rejection criteria.
Are there chain-brand-shopping plazas out there? Maybe, the world is big but i never reviewed one....
Or just for simply not meeting the required criteria. As in it doesn’t fulfill the requirement to promote exercise, socialization or exploration
If every business inside of the shopping plaza is a generic business, than I would consider the shopping plaza generic. And to be honest, if something in the plaza was actually eligible, I would much prefer to submit that on its own, that way if I find something else eligible in the plaza, I can nominate that down the road and have multiple pois in one plaza.
I do feel the word “plaza” in the criteria refresh was meant to reference the open air squares with benches/seating. I saw on the other post @pkmnsearch2-PGO you are having difficulty getting the one approved but I would much prefer to pass the pedestrian plazas you were referencing there, than the shopping center sign posted above. Still like the idea of submitting the Chuck E Cheese.
wow, even after the niantic user said loud and clear that shopping plazas are a great place to socialize, you still think they don't meet the required criteria.
BIG LMAO.
i am not using only the plaza examples that we can find in the criteria page.
I am talking about the shopping plazas as in "small shopping malls" that, apparently in other countries, aren't reviewed positively.
even before the big criteria refresh, small shopping malls were always an easy 5*.
you live, you learn. Glad my national community don't overthink about small shopping malls.
easy 5*.
This is what was said
”Interesting question, @AkaganiN0Shanks-PGO! As you're aware, Parks and Plazas should be an eligible nomination as they are public places. Concurring to what @LukeAllStars-PGO and @Pangarban-ING mentioned Shopping Plazas should be eligible however should have multiple shops/stores.
Secondly, someone may have already made a nomination on various objects/placemarkers around entrances, which could lead to a rejection (as a duplicate).
Last but not the least, while submitting a nomination please enter detailed information of the nomination in the description on how it should be eligible so reviewers while voting on them should have better idea & understanding. I hope you find this helpful, all the best!”
https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/10030/need-clarification-about-shopping-plaza/p1
no where did I ever say they don’t meet criteria. I am here saying that if you don’t show how your plaza meets criteria then it clearly doesn’t and should be rejected. Please read the last paragraph of what nianticgriffard has said in a different discussion and tell me how they say that we should just accept without proof of eligibility.
It’s more towards the other side of the corner..., it extends about a whole block I believe.
Thanks so much. I’m kinda getting mixed feelings about this nomination although I am pretty sure it can be accepted. It’s somewhat far from me and I can’t always get to it... but I think with the information I’ve been given I’ll be able to make a convincing statement towards the supporting information.
I mean to be honest it is mostly some chain stores e.g... Panda Express, Ralphs, but there is also a New Star which is a skate/street wear store with only 2-3 locations and I believe it is family owned. The Chuck E Cheese’s on its own is very interesting of course as it is a great place to be social and holds a special place in the hearts of many, as I even grew up going to that specific location. I’m thinking either I nominate the Chuck E. Cheese’s, or the Plaza Sign. For what I know it could be rejected for having some generic shops, but again the Chuck E. Cheese’s still gives it a good amount of value to it.