Curse of the upgrade?

Sure. I went for a spicy title referencing the location of the launch and not the sign.

But does this really not meet the criteria or am I being "punished" for my impatience (upgrade used)?


  • Thor3381-INGThor3381-ING Posts: 219 ✭✭✭

    IMHO this is not a strong candicate.

    A Kayak-launching spot can hardly be seen as a trail-head, unless you can walk on water.

    The plaque on the initial picture mentions "Stallings Island Launch Point" but also "Straight ahead" which to me makes it more like a "this way" sign towards your actaual nominee.

    As for location, on sat-view it looks ok, but when you look at your images on google streetview on which you have the pin they don't match.

    There is a sign lying against a tree on the left, whereas on the right there is a similar sign as in your main picture hidden behind the branches. On your main pic the sign is on the left side of the gravel-road.

  • Oakes1923-PGOOakes1923-PGO Posts: 419 ✭✭✭✭

    With upgrades, the title, the picture, and the supporting picture/info need to be no brainers, spot on. "Above the Headgates"? Maybe if I was local I might know what that meant but this went out o the masses so... no clue.

    I know Niantic tells you to "show off your photography skills", you probably went a little over board with the submission photo because I guarantee at least one rejecter said to themselves it looked fake or was a third party photo (take it as a compliment?)

    Boat launches around me are almost universally accepted if they have decent photo's. Love the idea of calling them a trailhead but as @Thor3381-ING pointed out not everyone will agree with that and be that open minded, as it stretches the norm.

    Here is a kayak launch I submitted in my area. First image in the portal, second was the supporting information. Title: Kayak Launch - Woodlock Recreation Area

    One suggestion I might make is when you take your supporting information photo, if you have access to a kayak or canoe bring it down and drop it next to the launch site. Just like staging a house for sale. Gotta sell the optics. Unfortunately your supporting info is TLDR. Sometimes less is more, sometimes more is more. Tough crowd these Wayfarers. Good luck.

  • MermaidRamPaige-PGOMermaidRamPaige-PGO Posts: 54 ✭✭

    Thanks, everyone. I appreciate you taking the time and your feedback.

    "Aquatic trailhead" for kayaking, since it is a kayak launch, but I'll leave that part out.

    Glad to see other launches that have been accepted that are not man-made wooden docks. Big help. I can haul a kayak up there. Good idea on staging.

    Here's a link to the streetview. Everything is in one spot. The Photosphere is closer to the water and the nomination picture which is why the sides are flipped.,-82.0400325,3a,75y,340h,70t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sAF1QipNawTtN2pe2LLgx5e5aKfU1NGMQ3S3hxxvDsto!2e10

  • EvilDoctorSlice-INGEvilDoctorSlice-ING Posts: 42 ✭✭

    @Oakes1923-PGO did your kayak launch submission get approved?

    I don't know anything about kayaking but these just look like photos of a section of riverbank to my untrained eyes. I get that you need a fairly shallow place to get kayaks in and out of the water, but there doesn't appear to be anything man-made here. Don't these just get rejected for being natural features?

    I live near a river and there are several places where a concrete roadway leads directly into the water to allow people to launch canoes and boats. Can't say I've ever imagined them qualifying as wayspots though, so I'd be interested if any of these sorts of submissions ever get approved.

  • MermaidRamPaige-PGOMermaidRamPaige-PGO Posts: 54 ✭✭


    It was rejected for title and criteria.

    It was not rejected for a natural feature, which it should not have been. The County created the trail and out down gravel, but there is also a sign.

    "Photos that focus on the signboard of the natural feature, or include both the natural feature and the associated signboard are acceptable."

    I'm going to haul a kayak down there and resubmit without the upgrade, I think it's got a good chance. I've been having horrible luck with upgrades recently. Twice this week, I've had to run out find some easy 5* playground or gazebo to nominate before it auto-applied the upgrade.

    In our area, most boat ramps (like yours) and docks are already nominated (great place to explore). I'll post some for you.

  • MermaidRamPaige-PGOMermaidRamPaige-PGO Posts: 54 ✭✭

    The "curse" strikes again. Lol.

    I copy and pasted the same supporting information and description for each nomination, only changing the points of reference for location and adding one unique sentence about the features of the surrounding area or the trail itself.

    I should stop reviewing.

  • Oakes1923-PGOOakes1923-PGO Posts: 419 ✭✭✭✭

    Yes got approved on an upgrade very recently. I think what helped it that the portal image is a trail marker. If I had tried to do the Kayak Launch on its own without the sign, I do not think it would have passed.

  • Oakes1923-PGOOakes1923-PGO Posts: 419 ✭✭✭✭

    Tough break but it happens a lot (spend a few weeks following these forums and you will see countless examples). This one got snagged by a small group of overzealous, bad, or disgruntled reviewers. Obviously your community has decided these are acceptable considering the others and if you nominated again it will probably go through as some point.

    I had a church get rejected twice before finally going through on the third attempt. Its in a regular building so its not your traditional space. The first two submissions I gave a ton of details and information about hours, and what not. Kept getting rejected. I pulled way back on my information the third and basically just pointed out it was church. It went through in four days without an upgrade. (Things usually take months)

  • MermaidRamPaige-PGOMermaidRamPaige-PGO Posts: 54 ✭✭

    @Oakes1923-PGO Thanks for your input and taking the time to respond. I resubmitted it.

    I actually saw your kayak launch in review. :)

  • MermaidRamPaige-PGOMermaidRamPaige-PGO Posts: 54 ✭✭

    Lol. Here we go again. I'm not too bent out of shape, but it kinda sucks when you actually put forth time and effort to research and draft a compelling arguement for your nomination. I didn't think I would need to keep something this unique and interesting in the local voting pool.

  • Oakes1923-PGOOakes1923-PGO Posts: 419 ✭✭✭✭

    That sucks, what a great use of an otherwise one trick pony of a building. I love brewery/tap room nominations. Submit again, should 100% be a POI.

  • Tip tops taps was approved after going through the normal review process. XD

  • I also resubmitted the kayak launch with the existing photos and the name from the sign. It was approved in one week without an upgrade. Go figure. XP

  • MargariteDVille-INGMargariteDVille-ING Posts: 2,763 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MermaidRamPaige-PGO Your description is fine. Your supporting is mostly bluster. The only helpful words in your supporting are: aquatic trailhead.

    It's a sign on the road to a boat launch, not the launch. The sign is easily moveable. Pedestrian access to the sign is uncertain (is that a gravel path or road?). The supporting picture doesn't include the sign OR the launch.

    Or is the launch just that clearing next to the river? So in the next big rain, it could wash out, and the launch is moved somewhere else? That would explain why the sign is so moveable (temporary).

    Boat RAMPS can be good wayspots, but this nomination is weak. Every river has multiple clearings, here and there.

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