valid statues rejected with random reasons

gollam69-ING · July 2021

I hoped that the nomination system was improved in the last few years, so I gave it another try after a very long pause. All of my nominations were rejected with invalid reasoning.

There is this artist where I live, who makes mini statues. Here is a long article listing his creations: https://budapestflow.com/hidden-mini-statues-budapest/ Now he made 3 new of them in my hometown, Vac. All of them has numerous articles posted by national media, I'll put a link to each of them so you can see the surroundings (sorry, only in Hungarian, but the images in the articles will prove that the statues are all real).

The first one was rejected as fake, non-existing: https://atulipanoslany.blog.hu/2021/07/03/morzsa_kutyank_hegyezd_fuled_egy_het_alatt_ket_kolodko_szobor_vacon This statue has a historical connection to a famous Hungarian poet, who wrote a poem about these characters.

The second one was marked as seasonal display (with a few tons of concrete base which was screwed into the ground): https://www.facebook.com/estvvac/photos/a.424546864379465/2070740369760098/

You can also see the mayor of the city standing behind it here: https://vaci-naplo.hu/2021/07/helyere-kerult-a-harmadik-kolodko-miniszobor-is-vacon/

This statue is popularizing the permanent exhibition in the building behind it.

Finally, the third one was marked as duplicate, and it was merged into a completely different portal nearby, according to the rejection email. I couldn't find which of the surrounding, completely unrelated portals it was merged into.

This is a statue of Maria Theresa, Queen of Hungary, who did not want to go under the Triumphal Arch nearby.

https://vaci-naplo.hu/2021/06/harom-kolodko-miniszobor-kerul-kihelyezesre-vacon/

Here is an article summarizing all three: https://ilovedunakanyar.hu/dunakanyar/kolodko-szobrok-vacon/

Shouldn't there be an appeal button in the email? And shouldn't people who constantly reject portals with random reasons be punished? I know NIA is happy that some people still have the nerves to review candidates in OPR, but this way the portal network won't be improved at all.

And finally, of course all of my submissions contained a well recognizable view of the location of the statues, together with the street view, so anyone who has a pair of eyes could validate that the statues are there.

Theisman-ING · July 2021

Whilst I like them everything I read and seen on a few websites says hes a gorilla statue artists so none of them have official permission and as such would be subject to removal at anytime. I can't see any local news articles to say that the local district council (or the equivalent that you have in Budapest) has accepted them as works of art and granted them permission to remain.

If you have links to an article of that nature I'd included that as well as the online map of their location and try again.

Annoying as it maybe without anything to say they are offical and allowed to remain rejecting them as temporary is the correct course of action.

You may want to consider photospheres as well, they are very small statues so proving the location is going to be problematic without it.

Pelski-ING · July 2021

When you look at the pictures it would be very easy to image that it are just little statues placed on a post, and then nominated. With all three I would even doubt if they aren't on private ground.

I would suggest to make a photosphere like @Theisman-ING said above, also make sure that the second photo that shows the area surrounding the wayspot shows as much as it possibly can. And offcourse add links in the describition to articles that confirm they are really there.

Ideally you should picture the artwork with the stone, and then add more pictures later on. It is to easy to just fake those nomination with a zoomed in picture.

gollam69-ING · July 2021

@Theisman-ING @PelPlays-ING shouldn't the second photo I submit fulfill that purpose of showing the surroundings? The rejection email does not contain them for whatever reason, but imagine a pic like the one from the articles, which shows the nearby buildings too. I took them in a way that together with the street view it was obvious where they are. They aren't saved on my phone either after submission so I cannot show them to you. The reviewer is seeing BOTH pictures and has to make the decision based on that. Why do we have to submit a second photo if only the photosphere will allow a nomination to be accepted?

Theisman-ING · July 2021

Im afraid I can't comment without seeing the support picture that you used and the corresponding location map / pin placement.

Theoretically it should be completely possible to match a location as you've suggested, but ive seen some where despite it being a good ish support picture ive still not had a clue where the POI should be, or outdated SV means the pictures look nothing alike.

Have you completed the Wayfarer test to review nominations?

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