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What's the ruling for murals on roller shutters?
Gazzas89-PGO
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I came across this one, I know murals on businesses in general are a debate, but this one I son a roller shutters so, current problems askde, this would most likely be unviewable during the day
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They are eligible so long as the location itself is not a school, daycare, or private residential property. (Not that I've ever seen roller shutters on a home.)
Never liked them as a POI myself - you can only get to see them if the shop is shut, so they are "temporary" as far as i am concerned.
Murals, On, At, or IN businesses are eligible. The problem stems more so with them being truely a mural. This I would rate highly as its easily visible and adds to the scenery of the area.
Temporary/seasonal should only be used for items like Holiday/Festival decorations and items like limited time exhibits like a sign advertising an event, not for things that are permanently installed but only visible for part of the day.
If temporary/seasonal were used for rolling shutters, then it could be used for permanently installed indoor nominations for buildings that are not open at all hours of the day, or educational information signs located in parks that close for the winter, or permanently installed sports "hall of fame" tributes in stadiums that are only used part of the year.
So would light installations be ineligible because it can only be seen at night? Since light installations are specifically called out as being eligible, temporary doesn't mean that it must be visible at all times. The mural is still there, but just unseen until the shutter is pulled down.
Ah, that's my friend's submission. She's been trying for a while to get it through.
Not sure how it's temporary considering it's there all the time, even if you can't see it. That's like saying the stars only exist at night time.
We could extend the argument to museums and art galleries and say they're temporary or seasonal because you can only see the exhibitions during in the open hours.
Anyway, to answer @gazzas89-PGO's question.
It's a mural, so it's eligible as long as it's not on a school or other ineligible building (I.E. day care centre, military base, etc) so it's definitely eligible under the criteria.
The idea that murals on roller shutters being "temporary" is a bit silly since they're there all the time, even if you can't see it.
But if people want to start arguing whether things are temporary or not, there is a school of thought that states things only exist for as long as we observe them, ergo meaning, everything is temporary, which would mean everything would need to he rejected on a temporary/seasonal basis.
Anyway, less of the philosophy. Shutter murals are permanent features that I'm aware of, so they would be eligible despite only being seen at certain times because the the roller shutter is still there - it's not as it's getting move from one end of town to another end of town each day or only being brought out at say Christmas time.
In fact, my friend actually posted a thread recently asking about shutter art because she is struggling to get it through.
The thread is here:
Walthamstow is covered head to toe in murals. It's a fun place to be if you ever want to admire all the free artwork in the Borough. The Borough was the London Borough of Culture last year and making bland brown/red bricks or grey shutters colourful (ESPECIALLY when everything is closed due to coronavirus) really does cheer you up.
Cool, so for future reference I should accept this if it comes up again ..... though hopefully it doesnt and it gets accepted. I just skipped it as I knew I would t get to review it in time lol
Uh Yeh it's mine. If you look at the nearby portals you'll actually see that I got a fair few other shutter arts through (there's only 3 that I remember)
This is actually being rejected for ABUSE as well and I'm not entirely sure why.
Check out some of our other local portals/pokestops that are already in the game! It'd be a crime to keep them from being shared with people in the game.
I personally think they are cool and would take people to see them.
I’ve actually reviewed that shutter, gave it four stars I think. It stud out as the submitter actually posted screenshots of the dictionary definitions of the words ‘permanent’ and ‘temporary’ as the supporting photo. She clearly wasn’t having much luck with it. Shame really, as I think it’s good.
Yeah, I remember her telling me about that in messages. I do hope it gets through on her next try though.
I live in Italy and strangely people keep rejecting them. These are 2 examples I'm struggling with getting them accepted. Both of them are visible on maps
@NianticCasey-ING passed along a ruling from the Wayfarer team that seems similar to this, but is actually not.
In that other case, the Wayfarer ruled that items which were underwater should be rejected as "no safe pedestrian access". And they further informed us that this was the case even if the POI was sometimes available, ie. at low tide.
In the case of a mural on a business' rolling shutters, the POI is actually always there. And the "safe pedestrian access" is similarly unchanged at all times.
i would be skeptical to approve these since they could easily be abused. A lot of these in the last city I lived in were just vandalism done without the approval of the owner. painted over in about a month or so
I’d either skip or at most give 3* location.