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WayfarerMSE-PGO
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I discovered a lighthouse on Google that is not a wayspot. Before I submit it and possibly get a rejection, or the wayspot will be deleted later, I'd rather get advice beforehand to see how Niantic sees it.
The lighthouse is in the middle of the sea and has a jetty/bridge directly in front of it so that boats can moor, since you can stand on the jetty, from my point of view, safe access would already be given. I see it like an island, you come there by boat and you can go ashore.
I ask for advice.
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I can't find the relevant link at present but I'm certain Niantic have said in the past you don't need a footpath but as long as there's some sort of safe access then it should be okay.
However, with that said, it might get rejected anyway since some reviewers will just assume there's no safe access whatsoever.
That looks like a clear case of "no pedestrian access" to me.
I believe this is the post you're referring to.
For example, a lighthouse on a small island that is only accessible by boat / ferry would be eligible if there's a public dock or some other way for players to approach on foot once they've docked.
@WayfarerMSE-PGO it's a little hard to see from your image, so I'm not entirely sold, but you could either explain that there is safe access because of the dock/landing or even provide that link above in your Supporting. It's still a toss up as to if reviewers feel the same.
Aye, that's the one. Thank you
So, the "dock" and set of stairs that are sitting RIGHT NEXT to the lighthouse somehow escaped your eyesight? 🤷♂️
Unless you have personally have stood within the normal hacking range of the point of interest, then I wouldn't submit it. It is incorrect to ask others to stand in a potentially dangerous spot. I've captured island portals and submitted quite a few myself. I like difficult to get stuff but always personally verify safety.
Interferes with emergency services. If the light is broken and someone comes to repair it while you are docked there trying to capture the portal and you are blocking them, you are interfering with emergency services.
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why you should never leave guidelines and criteria as subjective.
Say you have a local church that is also a POI. If the church catches fire, and you are hacking the portal, you are also interfering with emergency services.
If it does catch fire and burns down, or better yet, if a missile hits it, it will be destroyed, so it's also temporary.
Given that religion is a "Business" that profits from faith and beliefs, it's also akin to a scam, so location innapropriate is also fitting. On the same vein, atleast here, some funeral cerimonies are done at churches, so Sensitive Location is also appropriate.
But the best part is, a church is neither a good place to explore, a good place to exercise, or a good place to be social, so it also doesn't meet acceptance criteria.
So, in your own words, ALL churches are to be removed, right? Because it's really easy to twist the vague criteria to fit any narrative.
I guess we can’t have POIs alongside roadways anymore, either. People might block access to light poles, utility poles. What if they need to replace the sidewalk, and you’re there standing on it?
I'm going to show you a couple of Google lighthouses or beacons / other interesting objects.
I would be really interested in what Niantic says about it.
Are these valid? You definitely need a boat, but everyone stands on a sandbank, is completely surrounded by water and each has a small jetty to moor.
@NianticCasey-ING @NianticGiffard
If it is valid, then I would like to submit this one:
https://goo.gl/maps/VU4MLx1qNr35CNGd9 = https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuchtturm_Hohe_Weg
Others:
https://goo.gl/maps/DQDGuoP64maqJTDp8 = https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuchtfeuer_Peenem%C3%BCnde
https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=53.853041,8.08211&z=17&pll=53.853041,8.08211
https://goo.gl/maps/4NjCeMEnuv1jhFxj6
https://goo.gl/maps/4KRGTdFnp9tdhzmS9
https://goo.gl/maps/Uqhxiye4SiZteHTh6
https://goo.gl/maps/9q3c1ev6g4C8Kv7e9
https://goo.gl/maps/vC2V3uh4Y9Vzdz2q7
Submit it! Doesn’t have to be accessible by everyone & gives people a reason to go there to explore. A great POI honestly
I almost hit disagree cause I almost forgot you were just giving purposefully bad examples. Dear lord, sounds like something you'd hear a new highschool atheist say.
Sarcasm can be hard to detect on the internet 🤣
Lighthouses such as this one provide critical guidance functions. They are not for you to go and visit, landing there is likely considered trespassing as it is. No-one is going to capture this from landing, it will be boat captures. Usually it's ingress players trying to weasel a hard anchor when they are the only ones with boats.
Take for example this lighthouse. There is no pedestrian access, and it was made purely as a hard anchor.
https://www.google.ca/maps/@33.7231414,-118.1371497,101m/data=!3m1!1e3
I'd suggest looking at the wiki link provided for the one in question.The picture shows people visiting it. There are people on the lighthouse ledges and one sitting on the staircase which leads to the dock and entrance to on the light tower. Lighthouses and island stuff is a case by case basis. I definitely don't like the pictures taken via a telescopic lens or a distance and getting weaseled in the game though.
I think you guys are talking about different light houses 🙈
You put a lot of links. I could be confused as to exactly which lighthouse you want and all the supporting documentation. Plus, I don't think random examples of no public access lighthouses was helping. I agree there are definitely off limit dangerous ones. I've had the misfortunate experience of someone submitting something dangerous from a distance. I wasn't willing to walk by the no trepassing signs but others were.
It may be true that the number of links is confusing, I just wanted to give a few examples and see how Niantic assesses the respective situation. We need some clarification!
I also let it go through my head again ...I will not submit the beacon/light house that I started the thread about.
But ... I stick to this statement here:
"If it is valid, then I would like to submit this one:
https://goo.gl/maps/VU4MLx1qNr35CNGd9 = https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuchtturm_Hohe_Weg / = http://www.deutsche-leuchtfeuer.de/binnen/weser/hohe-weg.html"
Here, I would really like to know whether Niantic considers this to be valid, if so, I will book a ticket for the ship there promptly and submit it.
The lighthouse stands on a sandbank, it is open to the public for mudflat hikers and ships even go there so that tourists can visit it from the outside - and inside. However, it is of course surrounded by water again during the flood - but always has its bridge in front, which is why I personally see safe access guaranteed in every respect. But how does Niantic see it?
@NianticGiffard
Happy to clarify, @WayfarerMSE-PGO! A lighthouse would be eligible if it is safely accessible. In the case of lighthouses that are away from the mainland, there should be a way to reach it, be it through a boat/ferry. There should also be a walkway for players to access it safely once they have docked from the boat/ferry.
Thanks for the clarification. That would mean that a lighthouse is considered to be safely accessible as soon as it has a bridge / footbridge on which one can stand.
Then I can submit the lighthouse from my last comment without hesitation.
It is surrounded by water during the high tide, but has a bridge = Safely Accessible.
Thank you.
So long as that "high tide" doesn't have the water lapping up against the lighthouse's walls, you should be good to go. The "safe pedestrian access" rules require that that access is 24/7, regardless of the tides.
Access TO the location need not be 24/7, but access AT the location* does.
*once safely landed on the island, of course