Army of: need pokestops, more stops, no pokestops etc
Goddess1974-ING
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Recently while I've been reviewing the majority of submissions have had in additional information " need more pokestops " " hardly any stops " " this pokestop is a 5* " any way you can word it majority have had this in additional information pokestops ( 😤 ).
Also the submissions have been all 1* Elizabeth the second post boxes, ordinary memorial benches, primary schools, scout's, objects in private property, fake submissions, user created submissions, location pin incorrect placement, emergency services, road names board's, photos taken from inside submitters house, recognisable face selfies, etc I could go on.
Do they go in submitting completely blind ? Is there a test to pass for Pokémon Go submitters if not there should be if there is it should be a lot stricter to help them.
From both the Ingress and Pokémon Go communities the legitimate submits are in the system for weeks even months longer being clogged up with these more stoppers and home stoppers.
Its not about easy agreements the wayfarer system has been swamped with 1* submissions majority of them are from Pokémon Go submitters.
Niantic I don't know how long your willing to let this carry on but I've nearly reviewed 90,000 submissions and the entire system is well flooded with these type of submissions it's not worth it any more.
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There is no test to pass to submit. There will be soon. But only for new submitters
It’s worth noting there’s no test for Ingress submitters to pass but you very rarely see begging for a new portal.
Thank you I must of missed that post thanks for sharing, I just barely come on these forum's.
It should be implemented in all games to be fair but it really needs to implemented in Pokémon Go.
Just now I had three reviews two where Elizabeth the second postboxes both of which had a form of pokestop wording in additional information. 😪
It REALLY needs to be for those who haven't taken the test yet. PLEEEASE Niantic. Letting it just be people who haven't reached lv38 whenever the change is enabled isnt going to do anything for the current issue...
Very much so well said 👍🏻
I agree. It should be implemented across all games. Especially if they look to add Nominations and linking Wayfarer to their other games like Harry Potter: Wizards Unite & CATAN: World Explorers as the Niantic brand grows.
I would happily take a test if it gets applied to all submitters.
Yes if Niantic are to expand wayfarer to more games a submitting test in all of their games is a must majority of Pokémon Go submissions should worry Niantic that much submitting test becomes mandatory.
I actually thought pokestop, pokemon go, pogo and all the other associated titles and derivations would be banned from being submitted in the description. But alas, often pokemon go and pogo players are heavily referenced in the DESCRIPTION and the submitter literally catapulted a somewhat good enough nomination into the depths of the abyss.
The instructions need to be neutral when nominating. No references to PokeStop, the button literally says "New PokeStop", and that's why we have these tasteless nominations.
It's most unfortunate and Niantic's fault they need to clear that up a bit with " New Nomination " etc as well as the submitting test.
From a personal PoV, i fully agree with you. A retroactive submitter test applied to ALL users of ALL Niantic games would be amazing.
I'm not too sure if Niantic sees it this way tho. Remember, they don't deal with submissions, they have the community to do that for free. Imagine if 40% of users failed the test, and for coherence sake, lets say they were all from PoGo. That's 40% unhappy customers that can no longer submit anything, which ends up with them quitting, and if they quit, Nia doesn't get potential money from them.
They haven't cared about the systemic abuse that's running rampant, and they surely wouldn't be on board with excluding a slice of their PAYING, UNPAID laborers 😂
I agree with you @HaramDingo-ING and @Goddess1974-ING
This is literally the reason that many PoGO submitters write Pokemon reference in support text (and sometimes in other text too):
Just on this screen you can see "Pokestop" name used 7 times during nomination process in PoGo. I think it might appear 1-2 times more, there is some steps missing on this screens.
PoGo players don't get even mentions that they're nominating POI that aren't only for PoGo but for other Niantic games. And many of PoGO players don't even know there are different Niantic games that also nominate POI to the same database so they don't know they shouldn't use Pokemon reference while nominating.
Changing text in nomination process and giving more information to PoGo players that they're nominating for all games is something many people on this forum asked Niantic for months or years (it was also one of my first post here), but so far there wasn't done anything about it. It's hard to blame just players when games don't give them any information.
Let's just hope that changes of wayfarer we heard about will include some changes in nomination process too :)
Niantic give it some serious consideration and implement some of the suggestions in this thread it will improve the overall quality of submissions.
The text in Pokémon Go while submitting should be updated and replaced to " Nomination " not the infamous pokestop etc
While nominating show the criteria and help educate all submitters especially new ones.
I haven’t highlighted them but here’s the Ingress screens for some comparison. They mention “Portal” a lot. Do we see lots of “more Portals please”, or “No portals in this area”? Wonder what the issue here is? 🤔
Well, we don't see it as often as PokéStop... But we/I do see them occasionally in nominations and have to 1* them. Correct me if I'm wrong but the player base for Pokémon Go is much larger (and a younger demographic as far as submission go too). Niantic should just remove games specific Wayspot names from all submission flows.
I do often see begs for PokéStops unfortunately @TrevorAlan-PGO in the supporting information. But I agree that it should be game neutral in what the games call the POI. They call them POI & Waypoints when talking about them so would just need to swap a few text fields I would think.
I'll review later and attach some screenshots for examples.
I have to use upgrades to get anything through to become a waystop now. They used to just come through in a couple weeks no matter what but now I have a lot that have been stuck in queue for over a year with others in voting for over a year. Whenever I review I also just see horrible nominations. Like one I had was “Pokemon Go Player’s House” as the TITLE.
I will too, this will be funny
Maybe Niantic should have a mass purge of the system... Anything that says Ingress or Pokémon or PokéStop in the title/description just gets auto-rejected? I mean there might be a few legit things, but what, 1 in 1,000, 2,000, 9,000+?
To be a contrarian... I honestly don't think that a submitter's test is going to solve the problem. People will take it once and then forget what they briefly crammed into their brains, or they'll cheat to pass the test. It also won't help people keep track of Niantic's updates to the criteria, so even if they remember what they learned it will soon be out of date.
What would work better is to show the relevant criteria on the screen during the submission process. If someone chooses the category grave marker (or whatever Niantic calls it, I'm too lazy to look up the exact classification text) they would get told that it is eligible if: (criteria) and otherwise ineligible. That would put the current information right in front of their eyes so they didn't have to remember anything, just read what's on the screen. Admittedly some people wouldn't even do that, but it seems more likely than them remembering a nuance they learned three years ago.
I guess my screenshots wasn't approved or Niantic doesn't want them made public ?...
There was no personal information it was literally four zoomed in screenshots of the additional information about four minutes apart.
I had a lot of Pokestop additional information reviews yesterday all of which where 1* reviews.
That could work because the amount in the system is beyond a joke now.
If they did that they then should ban words like Pokestop,Pokestops/portal in additional information like they have description though there are workarounds those are the two major words that do not improve overall quality of any submission especially in additional information.
Again all of them are 1* nominations something needs to be done clearing the system and banning those two words is a start.
Same could be said for portals if agents done it but they don't I'm not bias to one game.
But look at the time they was reviewed ( top right ) barely minutes apart the sheer volume is beyond belief the entire wayfarer system has thousands of them clogging the system up.
None of them where acceptable and I've only just started reviewing.
The Pokémon Go and Ingress submitting texts need updating instead of Pokestop/Portal it should be Nomination instead.
This will yes lead people to put nomination instead but it won't encourage people to submit simply because they see the word Pokestop/Portal if you know what I mean " oh pokestop I'm gonna submit my gardens statute "
Yes I didn’t even review this I just saw this way stop like 4 years ago and it was a pokemon go mural and I have visited a lot lol
Here's one example of a 1* and additional information.
Certainly reflective of what I see when I review. As I mentioned, no asks there for Portals or claims that there are no Portals nearby (I find there are usually a lot of Waypoints nearby when I see the “No PokéStops nearby” claim) even though the apps mention Portal & PokéStop in the same locations when submitting a new Waypoint.
The neutral language may help & makes sense going forwards as the Nomination process rolls out to more games but I don’t think it’ll stop the begging for PokéStops in the descriptions and supporting statements.
As others wrote many good things, I won't write anything new: it seems that PoGo community is much bigger than Ingress, and it looks like PoGo has much more young players that are allowed to nominate, so it's much easier to see bad nominations with "we want moar stops" from PoGo players rather than Ingress players - bigger community will have more bad exaples visible. Also many PoGo players are more unaware that other Niantic's games exists and that they should wrote text not related to any games when they nomiante. This might be the case why mostly just PoGo nominations have game references. I also sometimes see Ingress referencess too, but they're much less often.
The best thing to do is to change nomination text in both games, so they won't show anywhere in text words like "portal" or "pokestop" in nomination process, and just add a short information to not add any game reference text, as nominations are added to more than one game and should be neutral because of that. Easy change that might help with decreasing such many pokemon reference in nominations. I also agree it won't make them dissapear completely, but should make much smaller amount of them in the future.
I also agree to add some filter that would just block nominations that will have words like "pokemon" or "pokestop" (and to maybe delete from system current ones with these words too). We have a lot of normal words banned to add while nominating (that shouldn't be banned), so let's use these filter to finally ban words that really shouldn't be added while nominating :)
Thank you for the reply there's no ideal way forward with this and I agree it will never stop the begging or never acceptable nominations asking for stops.
Niantic I'm talking directly to you I've been here since the good old OPR days with the very old review rating days, the system has become a joke and mass rejection.
Can you atleast consider changing the wording on all your games when it comes to nominations and as mentioned above change the text to a neutral word say nomination as an example.
Ingress and Pokémon Go submit UI:
Submit your nomination and click a wayfarer category below which you think your submit meets.
Not sure what criteria your nomination falls under then click this for full details of what makes a good submission and what category your submission falls under.
If you don't you won't be able to proceed with your submit.
Helpful tips what to put in description and additional information to help evaluate your submit to reviewers, words such as pokestop, pokestops and portal are not helpful and your no longer able to use these words as it doesn't best describe your submit.
Helpful note once in the submitting process and you click on a category you think your submit falls under it will give a brief detailed description of it:
Playground a publicly accessible outdoor facility used primarily for leisure.
Named trail marker a pre detrimened route that will help people explore green areas and historic routes great for exploring.
Religious building steeped in history and place of worship used by the public.
Little brief descriptions like this once a category has been selected before proceeding to complete a submission will help the submitter better understand categories and not just go in blind, it may seem like an inconvenience to some but for new submitters it can help them.
From what was datamined, it seems like Nominators will have to choose what their submission is. Whether that’s what criteria it meets or what the actual item is wasn’t clear so that part may happen in future. I think Wayfarer will still be “evolving”. Hopefully when we get to 4.0 it will be much better.