Recognisable Faces - What constitutes a face?
PeteC303-ING
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I live in a town full of art. In fact it has the worlds largest collection of public art on display. I love drawing attention to this art in my town and had great success (more recently not when I started out, except the Princess Street one) in drawing attention to them and had a couple accepted however suddenly keep getting them rejected for stupid reasons, temporary display being one of them but I clearly demonstrate they are permanent in my supporting information. Now though they keep getting rejected. The Segrave Road one the most. Yet I get 2 nearby accepted why? What the hell is going on. And I don’t believe it’s anything to do with the recent lockdown and more people reviewing not reading everything. They all contain faces and so do other artworks, memorial plaques or murals. So tell me if you have reviewed them.
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niktero-PGO
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I think the main idea with faces is about legal permission. The random person photo-bombing your nomination did not give permission for everyone to see that picture but these are part of an art display which means the artist has written or express legal permission from the people to use their photograph. These seem like great POI.
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Interesting. You had some photographs being rejected, yet the remaining got accepted.
Maybe try to explain who they are in the photo and their significance to your community? Otherwise it would like just a regular photo.
It's a public art installation. I've voted favourably on some of these. It's a shame some got rejected. I like them.
That is an intersting one, honestly I'd accept it as art.
I think the main idea with faces is about legal permission. The random person photo-bombing your nomination did not give permission for everyone to see that picture but these are part of an art display which means the artist has written or express legal permission from the people to use their photograph. These seem like great POI.
I'm in agreeance with the above posters, although the images do show faces prominently, they are created as art pieces for public display and should be accepted as such.
The only feedback I would give is to not recycle the exact same description every time. Each photograph tells a story, who are the people? What are they doing? What's the significance of that time and place? There should be some history involved and that should be the description.
Im gonna have to say they should ALL have been rejected, not because they are invalid candidates, as they aren't, but due to a mistake you have made with the submissions.
The people who rejected them probably did what i did, was check them on the website and then instantly reject them
The description has been copied and pasted from the website, that's a possible breach of copyright law and against Niantics T&C and against submission guidelines and a definite rejection reason.
Resubmit them, use your own description, not one copied from the web, and give them another try
I have tried changing it up a bit but I can’t explain who they are as there is not that much detail about them. But I focused on the community side and art. I’m giving up anyway all I get is laughed at in Facebook groups who think they know it all. Just gonna submit boring stuff like postboxes and playgrounds.
The Semiotics of Wayfarer.
The description for the "face" button says "Use for nominations where the photo includes a recognizable face." Is this intended to cover photos of faces as well as actual faces? We don't really know, Niantic hasn't told us.
The OP asks "What the hell is going on?" and that's a fair question. The answer is that Niantic hasn't been clear about this, so we're guessing. Each submission has been sent to a random bunch of people, who made random decisions. So the answer to 'accept or reject' ends up being pretty random, as you've seen.
I've reviewed a few of these and I clicked the 'face' button - not because I have an opinion either way, but because I guessed that would be the option that would get me closer to getting my 'agreements' badge in Ingress.
So you have rejected a perfectly acceptable piece of artwork because you want an agreement?? Well thanks for that I’ve wasted my time trying to improve the games for my community by actually adding something different and interesting. Faces cover my face making the submitter identifiable and a passerby who has become the focus of my photo. Not faces within artworks. But don’t worry you win I’ll just submit the same old boring rubbish everyone else does. Agreements how ridiculous. There’s more to this than agreements and you can get one by accepting it. The ones I’ve has accepted have probably been reviewed by people who actually read my supporting information. You would accept a wall mural featuring the face of a footballer or a singer. There are plenty of faces you accept and these fall within it. Stop rejecting them.
I do explain I explain all the relevant information. But people don’t even read it. That’s the problem
I have done. Face face face. But my face or a passerby isn’t in the picture. It’s a metal plate. I’ve been laughed at and ridiculed for suggesting otherwise and had them compared to rubbish memorial benches.
They should not be rejected. Giving them the official title and description is not against guidelines and the wording is not copyrighted. You could argue all the pictures we take pictures of are copyrighted. They are community artworks and artwork is expressly acceptable as per Niantics guidelines. I’ve changed the description of them now. But they all get wrongly rejected for being recognisable faces, a group of people, body part, temporary (they are permanent) and most recently 3rd party photo. I take all my photos. They are far better than football pitches and playgrounds that everyone accepts.
No, I've rejected a grey area piece of artwork because I think that's what the rules are telling me to do.
Also, if you took the text from someone else, then it IS subject to copyright.
How is artwork a grey area?? Niantics tells you it’s acceptable. You can’t copyright words. Do you seriously go into that much detail? Niantics suggest we use official titles or make them up. I use official titles. Niantics tells you when submitting avoid faces and people. It explains what they mean in the Eiffel Tower and large tourist attractions bit. If a person who doesn’t know the picture is being taken is captured and becomes the focus of the picture. These artworks have people in them who have given permission for their faces to be exhibited in a community artwork it’s a simple as that really. I’ve changed the description texts many times. But lazy reviewers don’t read my supporting information. Did you??
I've had this rejected for recognizable face before
Not really a grey area is it.
But was it finally accepted?
If you know absolutely nothing about a subject, don't make sweeping statements. Go look in the front of any book if you don't believe that words can be copyrighted. Any creative act, such as writing, is automatically granted copyright.
after 8 **** flicking times
To be honest I skipped the couple of these I had come up because I wasn't sure how to review.
This artwork is a tricky one - I like the project, but the artwork is the entire installation of 540 signs.
It's not conceived as 540 individual artworks and there's one photograph on pretty much every street in Folkestone.
Of course although creators of the artwork installation deliberately ignored the technical and artistic quality of each photograph that forms the installation, some photos could be viewed as artworks in their own right within the larger artwork, whilst others are literally reproductions of snapshots.
It's tricky - if you submit the installation as an artwork - say using Bouverie Place as the location it's a really good submission, but in trying to submit all/a large number of bits of the artwork each bit would have to be reviewed on it's own merits.
I've come across much smaller installations where people have split the work, and sometimes they get rejected as duplicates (because they are all parts of one artwork) and in other cases they get through, but nothing else on this scale.
It’s the official statement of what it is. I can use it for that purpose. I’m not stealing it. Strange Cargo would be more than happy for me to raise awareness of their. Your the one making sweeping statements about what a recognisable face is when these are artworks and many artworks contain someone face. Just because it’s not in paint doesn’t make it a rejection. I have changed them to my own description but then get told they are too boring. It’s the official name and description I’m using nothing wrong with it.
They are all different and tell a story about each street or the people in them. If it was a famous person people wouldn’t care about the face. There is one picture. Only few left so I’m not submitting them all.
Lazy reviewers not bothered what they put. Where’s the face in that.
No, you absolutely, definitely cannot use someone else's copyrighted work like that. It's the law!
When you've been told you're wrong about something, it takes a special kind of stupid to just blindly carry on insisting that you're right without even doing the most basic fact checking.
Using the correct title of the project is fine and should be used, but copying the description is against Niantic's guidelines:
https://niantic.helpshift.com/a/wayfarer/?l=en&p=web&s=how-to-review-wayspots&f=reviewing-a-wayspot-nomination
"Title and Description
Rate the quality of the nomination’s title and description based on the following criteria.
Give high ratings to:
Give low ratings to:
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As I said I'm unsure on how to rate these - each picture was not seen by Strange Cargo or the Triennial organizers as an artwork in it's own right, the photos are all part of one single installation project - it's a single artwork, not a collection of artworks, but each 'bit' of the artwork is separated by some distance... I'm genuinely unsure.
@PeteC303-PGO you could paraphrase for the description, say the description from the website in your own words.
As for the ones rejected, just say recognisable faces are for photobombers, not for art
Yea been doing this recently. Thought I had used my own wording but must have memorised it.