Regarding «tilted» photo when used for more content
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I had a sub denied due to «tilted photo.» I knew it was a risky photo, but I tried. This sparked a conversation, and I would love to hear your thoughts.
The photo rules state «sideways or upside down» photos to be rejected. The rejection explanation includes diagonal photos. I can understand the use if the wayspot has an orientarion (signs, plaques etc.) But in my case, I wanted to show the whole tennis court in one shot, It follows the rule of being in center. The house in the background was included to show it’s not a sideways photo. As I had no access to the court directly that day, I chose to thake the picture from above, over the fence.
is this photo within the criterias, or am I just silly for liking a more artistic approach to get more information into the photo?
Edit: adding some context from the criteria.
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Honestly that makes me dizzy and the only way I can tell it’s specifically a tennis court is because you told me it is. I can tell it’s obviously some sort of paved area but that angle makes it hard to tell what sort. I would 100% reject that for orientation - there are other ways to get a photo that shows most of the court without making people’s heads spin… one option would be to take it straight on from the shorter end of the court, either from a similar height or just through the fence (if possible without having fence parts visible).
Yes, it was correctly rejected for tilted photo. You could make photo either vertically or horizontally to show your nomination in nice way, tilting photo just to show most of court is definetly a bad idea.
Photos will be shown in games, and they need to show POI in nice way. This photo don't show it in nice way, it's confusing and can even make people dizzy to look at it, like ArabellaArdelia-PGO wrote.
You don't need to show all of court on photo, if you can't make a photo like that. Show enough of court so people will see it's a tennis court (so some of court and full view of tennis net would be good). Artisitc photos aren't really good idea in many cases of POI, as they might not show POI enough (they often are made from very far away to get "nice sunset in the background" and POI is really small on them etc.). If you want to make artistic photo on POI, you can, but made it in a way that it will be show in normal way of photos.
I hope it will help you with photos on POIs in future :)
I think the tilt of your photo is beyond acceptable.
That photo is incredibly disorientating. You can tell it's a tennis court, but it looks like it's on a steep hill (which obviously wouldn't make sense for a tennis court). You can submit in portrait or landscape. If you were struggling to get the right angle with a portrait photo, I suggest using landscape instead, as a wider photo would likely be able to fit the full court in anyway. As @Maxyme99-PGO said though, you don't need the full court in the picture. So long as you can see the net and some of the playing surface, that tends to be perfectly fine for the main photo.
As mentioned, I knew it was a shot in the dark. But my question is more related to the criteria, as it’s written differently in the two pages. This court was resubmitted and approved with a different picture :)
is the rule for tilted pictures, or only upside down/sideways.
and for landscape suggestions: for a long time, at least on ios, it seems like landscape pictures got rotated 90 degrees, so it has never worked for me until very recently. If I knew it was working I would definitly have done that.
Anything where the orientation isn't correct - with the horizon line displaying horizontally - is worthy of an orientation reject. And I've never had an issue on IOS getting landscape pictures to display properly, they always display the way I want them to when I submit photos regardless of what way I hold my phone - which i've been doing since Wayfarer launched.
Sometimes it's not possible to take a photo from dead-on 90 degrees in front of the object:
in which case you kind of have to stand off to the side. In these cases, you have some visible "perspective": near side to you is bigger, far side away from you is smaller. But the photo is NOT "tilted".
In these cases, to date I've had a 0% success rate on any indoor submissions, and only about a 50% success rate on outdoor submissions. And the given reason was always "angled photo".
No, reviewers, you're not supposed to be art critics. The camera was level, it clearly showcased the object, and followed all the submission criteria.
Yeah standing off to the side because that's what's available is different than having the photo tilted like OP is asking about. In their photo it is clearly possible to take a photo from 90 degrees. Fwiw I've had a 100% success rate with photos taken from the side (or no photo-related rejections for them at least), so that's just your reviewers being bad.
In one case, of a trail marker, I ended up
and it was accepted immediately, despite having been rejected twice. Once accepted, I immediately submitted their twice-rejected landscape photo, the one that showed the sign, the gate, the trail, and the lovely countryside behind the gate, and it was very quickly accepted by Niantic (this being before Wayfarer did photo reviews). It is now the primary photo for the wayspot.
I'm just saying, there is an overly-large contingent of reviewers that incorrectly confuses "perspective" with "tilted".
Made this great compilation yesterday. Some examples of a quite small area of my city. All marked ones have tilted, blurry, or super bad photos on it.
Last year I had this one rejected for photo orientation, also trying to be unique with my image: getting the sun and some lens flare, capturing the clouds. I think it’s dramatic and engaging.
I resubmitted with the below and it sailed through. I still feel like the rejected one was a better image, but there’s only so much one can actually be “right” without being happy. I want my nominations approved, so I try to take my pictures square now.
That's precisely what I mean by incorrect rejections based on photo angle @NianticDanbocat @NianticTintino
But if you're ever in the area again @X0bai-PGO please take the time to submit your original photo to Wayfarer as a second photo, and even vote for it once it gets accepted by reviewers.
And this is usually the problem I have with the wayfarer community. You seem too focused on the example picture, while my hope was to get a clearer answer, which is correct guidline, the one from the Photo Guidline page (sideways or upside down) or the one on the rejection screen (tilded, sideways,upside down.)
as a sidenote, I think an artistic photo like the goal with the sun is way more inviting, and promotes exploration a lot more. Imo we should encourage more of that when the photographer actually has some skill, as long as it doesn’t raise the bar.
So, are you looking for The Team to give an official ruling on diagonally biased images? It seems like the community here regards them as rejection-worthy, whereas perspective-viewed (angled) photos can be acceptable, and we wish that was clarified in the guidelines….
Well, I would assume the category «criteria clarification» was a place for getting answers to such questions 😂 As it is directly unclear of which of the two rules we should follow, I thought I’d ask at least.
@X0bai-PGO i resubbed as well with this picture, which also sailed through. Which I think is way more boring. But as you said, gotta please the crowd.
@0X00FF00-ING working with a picture was up until recently only doable from Ingress (post from gallery.) and my success rate with that on ios was poor. when I started doing subs through Ingress, the game crashed every time I tried to upload a photo that was worked on (cropped) so I gave up. Forced myself to find ways around what I thought were limitations. I know on android you could use pictures from other apps as well, but on ios you (used to) get an error message if you tried that.
Your post directly asked whether the photo you posted was acceptable. People understandably responded by saying that no, it was not.
If you would like a direct answer to your question about the criteria: the rejection reason applies to all of the cases you mentioned. Photos that are sideways, upside-down, or tilted (such that the top of the photo is not "up") should all be rejected. If you check the Rejection Criteria page, it specifically says to reject photos that are "improperly oriented."
Sorry, what was an open question as part of the post wasn’t the goal ( i would have put that in a different, proper category.) After looking at the post again, I see that the text I wanted in the edit isn’t there. I added the two last pictures for context, which without the correct question is really out of place 😂 mea culpa.
I included in the initial post what the Photo Guideline (https://wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/new/help/photo-guidelines) says, and it does not say the same thing as you just did, or the rejection form says. Hence the confusion on which one is the correct one. Ie. I would love of Wayfarer changes the incorrect one so everything is consistant. Inconaistencies is what breeds a lot of the discussions I see on FB groups and the WF forum.