I assume if the questions are chosen only based on the amount of likes/insightful/disagree then only the first 2 pages (60 comments) will most likely to be choosed, yes?
Besides, there are several questions posted which asking on the same topic (you see, Lightship is one of the most frequent topic to be asked here).
I agreed completely, however like I say, there is no way of knowing what is and isn't allowed other than the small list that can be taken subjectively. You have proven that 1 person can completely fill one subject (Sports fields). A list can be added to and improved upon and the community would feel more involved creating, voting and improving it. If a new user were to join today they'd have no idea. I've been reviewing for a just over a year now and I'm still not sure what is and isn't allowed. A definitive list would give clear indication as to where to reference from rather than a year old post referring to old criteria on outsite gym equipment.
Can you explain why several proposals were accepted, appear on the wayfarer map but do not appear on the Intel Ingress map with correct distances
from other portals. I do have some examples with this status
I very much did not make a comprehensive list of allowable “sports fields”. There are a great many gaps in my tiny list, including multitudes of local games I’ve never ever heard of.
The “classification” list itself has NEVER been any kind of list of “allowable” wayspots, nor has it EVER been such. That list does also include many things that are explicitly forbidden, such as schools. The only purpose of the list is just that, classification.
If ANY reviewers use that list to help decide that a wayspot is allowable? To be blunt, they are doing their jobs WRONG, and are actually only serving to create more frustration among submitters who have done nothing wrong (ie the aforementioned “paintball” fields).
What's that secton intended to be used for ? Why sometimes it's obligatory/required to compile? Why main places (e.g. urban squares) aren't in the catalogue while some obviously not legit items are inside it (e.g. middle schools, commonly natural features).
I've got a small island nation I'd like to get reviews for. No neighbouring countries to overlap.
Currently no tourists to review in their downtime. Not enough in the queue to warrant even a 4 month "stay" there. A month would be great.
Alternatively let me earn "move codes" to give to reviewers that will move them to this country for x weeks and auto move them back. Then it's up to me to earn the codes and network to find helpful reviewers.
My question will never be top 15 but I'd still like it answered - these popularity contests are underwhelming for me. If we go with voting and limited choices, I'd expect to see the same old stuff bubble up. Mine was kind of a niche question anyway.
Can we get a update on the desync of waypoint data that is occurring between different Niantic games?
The large number of waypoints where the tiltle, description, location and/or photo gallery don't match between game titles is very concerning, especially when they are supposedly drawing upon a single source of truth in Niantic Lightship.
Not to mention the reversion of location edits I am encountering in both Ingress and Pokemon Go when the waypoint edits I submit get approved. Seems to only occur for those waypoints where the edit was submitted prior to the location edit being approved.
I would like to report again that since 2020, many requests for wayports in some regions of the city of Fortaleza, Brazil are not even going to evaluation, there is a kind of limbo in some neighborhoods. I cite for example this neighborhood in the coordinates below: Passaré neighborhood, Fortaleza, Brazil
For location edit requests, why are the only options: pick one location, or "can't find an appropriate location"? Why don't we have options for "all are equally correct" or "none are correct"?
If all locations are equally correct, what are we supposed to do?
Click the box saying "can't find an appropriate location".
Randomly choose one location. (If 5 are really close, how does this reach consensus?)
Look it up on other tools, and see which would be best for your game (altho if the portal is grey, this wouldn't break the tie for Ingress agents - and if all locations are in the same cell, it wouldn't break the tie for PokeMonGo trainers).
Almost a year after the overhaul of the criteria, nothing has yet been done on the verification page. The validators always vote without knowing the new criteria. How do you explain this inertia? While next to you completely overhaul your site to prevent Wayfarer + from functioning, is it really useful? Realize that you cut the motivation of validators to vote more. Some proposals have more than a year and a half of waiting and still not valid.
@PkmnTrainerJ-ING I know Wayfarer is for all games. I just wanted to point it out to Niantic, that their lack of choices makes people choose differently.
QUESTION:
Why is the top third chopped off pictures in-game? Lovely photographs are rendered into nonsense. If it has to be cropped, why not center it?
As English is not my first language, I am writing this text via a translation site.
Is it possible to improve the ability to see the surrounding street view during the screening process of selecting photos that do not meet the POI photo criteria?
I think this would improve the accuracy of the screening process.
If two different photos show different things, which one is correct? Or are they both correct? Are they both wrong? It is not always possible to determine this from aerial photographs alone. If we can display the street view, it will be a clue to find the answer to these questions.
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I think it would be easier to get more people to participate in the challenge if we could set up WAYFARER CHALLENGE locations in addition to the home and bonus locations, do you have any plans to do that?
Or maybe the bonus location could be changed in three months instead of one year.
I think a better phrasing of the question would be:
Could a nomination, where a single category that has been mostly rated with 2*, be rejected for that rating? If so, is it only certain categories or every category? Then, same question, but with 1* instead of 2.
Please, is there any chance the recent changes to the open in/map functionality in Wayfarer could be reverted? It was so nice having a choice of which map to view in. Streetview is useless the majority of the time for me (lots of reviews in depths of parks, on trails, other places where the Google cars don't go), and having it open in a bigger street view is just annoying and creates extra steps for me. OSM was nice for checking if the weirdly angled/cropped photos were because it's on PRP, or to see if something is on a military base, etc. If it has to be Google maps only, then could we at least one-click open in Maps and not Streetview?
I think you're missing my point. Obviously, no one could ever completely fill a subject as a new sport could crop up next week that comes under that category. I just thought maybe a list would help rather than cluelessly going by the tiny list that, like you said, if anyone uses would be doing wayspots incorrectly and can be taken subjectively. I'm not here to offend you or argue, I just purely want to try help make things easier as (I hope) you are too! So please tell me another suggestion other than a list that you think would work better and hopefully others and myself will agree 😊
When OPR started the objective was to find and review Points of interest, there was a heavily implied element of Quality over Quantity. Over time things have changed and now the bar is much lower for what meets criteria.
do you feel this diminishes the database at all? Are companies looking to invest only interested in the vast number of wayspots or do they look at the quality of them?
Personally I now think the bar is insultingly low. Generic street signs for bicycles and bins for dog waste for example have recently been okayed by Niantic. This is a kick in the nether region for those of us who hunt down pure diamonds and put a lot of effort into our submissions.
@NianticTintino I would like to expand on this question that a few others asked as well.
Are you planning on providing a real time map of all the POIs in the Lightship database?
Are all accepted Wayspots entered into the Lightship database or does Lightship have proximity rules of its own?
If a POI is accepted in an incorrect location that results in it not appearing in any games due to density rules but it is still entered into the Lightship database, how would we go about requesting a location edit to correct the POIs location in Lightship?
I think all of these questions are closely related enough that they should be handled as one question. Thank you!
The only thing that would really work would be for Niantic to better-educate the reviewers.
As an aside, yet more "activity" based things that would also be legitimate: field hockey, lacrosse, polo, miniputt, disc golf, golf, driving range, ...
If it's something, group or not, that encourages activity, it already qualifies under the acceptance guidelines, and except in egregious circumstances does not get disqualified under the refusal guidelines. Reviewers, DON'T flag these things with 1* or 2* under "cultural relevance" just because YOU don't like to sport. I don't like to sport either.
As many of you may know, the Voting starts today! Super excited to see what questions will make it onto the list! As I was gathering all of the questions and prepping them for voting, we discovered that the Voting feature I was hoping to use only allows up to 10 questions. With that being said, and so as to not delay the process while we investigate more with Vanilla, I think it would be best if we used the old method of voting; using the Like reaction button to vote.
Please make sure you go through all of the pages and vote for the questions that intrigue you the most.
I sincerely apologize as I should have trouble shot this before but the excitement of a new method got to me. Maybe for the next one in Dec 2021. Fingers Crossed!
Since these AMA’s always have repeat (or very similar) questions and some questions which are silly or not applicable then maybe for the voting stage next time you could go through the questions and pick out some interesting ones and condense some questions for us to vote on.
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I believe these are covered in the new criteria as a great place for exploration, thats how I would imagine voting on them anyway
I assume if the questions are chosen only based on the amount of likes/insightful/disagree then only the first 2 pages (60 comments) will most likely to be choosed, yes?
Besides, there are several questions posted which asking on the same topic (you see, Lightship is one of the most frequent topic to be asked here).
There will be a different voting system instead of Likes & Insightfuls.
I agreed completely, however like I say, there is no way of knowing what is and isn't allowed other than the small list that can be taken subjectively. You have proven that 1 person can completely fill one subject (Sports fields). A list can be added to and improved upon and the community would feel more involved creating, voting and improving it. If a new user were to join today they'd have no idea. I've been reviewing for a just over a year now and I'm still not sure what is and isn't allowed. A definitive list would give clear indication as to where to reference from rather than a year old post referring to old criteria on outsite gym equipment.
I very much did not make a comprehensive list of allowable “sports fields”. There are a great many gaps in my tiny list, including multitudes of local games I’ve never ever heard of.
The “classification” list itself has NEVER been any kind of list of “allowable” wayspots, nor has it EVER been such. That list does also include many things that are explicitly forbidden, such as schools. The only purpose of the list is just that, classification.
If ANY reviewers use that list to help decide that a wayspot is allowable? To be blunt, they are doing their jobs WRONG, and are actually only serving to create more frustration among submitters who have done nothing wrong (ie the aforementioned “paintball” fields).
What's that secton intended to be used for ? Why sometimes it's obligatory/required to compile? Why main places (e.g. urban squares) aren't in the catalogue while some obviously not legit items are inside it (e.g. middle schools, commonly natural features).
I've got a small island nation I'd like to get reviews for. No neighbouring countries to overlap.
Currently no tourists to review in their downtime. Not enough in the queue to warrant even a 4 month "stay" there. A month would be great.
Alternatively let me earn "move codes" to give to reviewers that will move them to this country for x weeks and auto move them back. Then it's up to me to earn the codes and network to find helpful reviewers.
I would like aged submissions to hit my review que over local submissions. Is there a way to make that an option for reviewers?
This would hopefully help clear aged submissions.
My question will never be top 15 but I'd still like it answered - these popularity contests are underwhelming for me. If we go with voting and limited choices, I'd expect to see the same old stuff bubble up. Mine was kind of a niche question anyway.
Can we get a update on the desync of waypoint data that is occurring between different Niantic games?
The large number of waypoints where the tiltle, description, location and/or photo gallery don't match between game titles is very concerning, especially when they are supposedly drawing upon a single source of truth in Niantic Lightship.
Not to mention the reversion of location edits I am encountering in both Ingress and Pokemon Go when the waypoint edits I submit get approved. Seems to only occur for those waypoints where the edit was submitted prior to the location edit being approved.
I would like to report again that since 2020, many requests for wayports in some regions of the city of Fortaleza, Brazil are not even going to evaluation, there is a kind of limbo in some neighborhoods. I cite for example this neighborhood in the coordinates below: Passaré neighborhood, Fortaleza, Brazil
-3.8079293093158855, -38.53803507873938
For location edit requests, why are the only options: pick one location, or "can't find an appropriate location"? Why don't we have options for "all are equally correct" or "none are correct"?
If all locations are equally correct, what are we supposed to do?
Look it up on other tools, and see which would be best for your game
You shouldn’t be focused on just one game. There’s three at the moment. By the end of the year there will be five.
If you’re unsure, you’re best to say that you’re unable to find an appropriate location.
How many requests from wayfinders does it take to request that a new acceptance or rejection criteria be added to a waypost?
Almost a year after the overhaul of the criteria, nothing has yet been done on the verification page. The validators always vote without knowing the new criteria. How do you explain this inertia? While next to you completely overhaul your site to prevent Wayfarer + from functioning, is it really useful? Realize that you cut the motivation of validators to vote more. Some proposals have more than a year and a half of waiting and still not valid.
@PkmnTrainerJ-ING I know Wayfarer is for all games. I just wanted to point it out to Niantic, that their lack of choices makes people choose differently.
QUESTION:
Why is the top third chopped off pictures in-game? Lovely photographs are rendered into nonsense. If it has to be cropped, why not center it?
Hello.
As English is not my first language, I am writing this text via a translation site.
Is it possible to improve the ability to see the surrounding street view during the screening process of selecting photos that do not meet the POI photo criteria?
I think this would improve the accuracy of the screening process.
If two different photos show different things, which one is correct? Or are they both correct? Are they both wrong? It is not always possible to determine this from aerial photographs alone. If we can display the street view, it will be a clue to find the answer to these questions.
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
I think it would be easier to get more people to participate in the challenge if we could set up WAYFARER CHALLENGE locations in addition to the home and bonus locations, do you have any plans to do that?
Or maybe the bonus location could be changed in three months instead of one year.
Oh man, I remember there was a lot of back and forth about this going on in this thread. I can see why you'd want that clarified. Especially since previous AMAs have stated 2* is treated as negative and that a nomination with 2* across the board is rejected but nothing on the wayfarer site really confirms this.
I think a better phrasing of the question would be:
Could a nomination, where a single category that has been mostly rated with 2*, be rejected for that rating? If so, is it only certain categories or every category? Then, same question, but with 1* instead of 2.
Please, is there any chance the recent changes to the open in/map functionality in Wayfarer could be reverted? It was so nice having a choice of which map to view in. Streetview is useless the majority of the time for me (lots of reviews in depths of parks, on trails, other places where the Google cars don't go), and having it open in a bigger street view is just annoying and creates extra steps for me. OSM was nice for checking if the weirdly angled/cropped photos were because it's on PRP, or to see if something is on a military base, etc. If it has to be Google maps only, then could we at least one-click open in Maps and not Streetview?
I think you're missing my point. Obviously, no one could ever completely fill a subject as a new sport could crop up next week that comes under that category. I just thought maybe a list would help rather than cluelessly going by the tiny list that, like you said, if anyone uses would be doing wayspots incorrectly and can be taken subjectively. I'm not here to offend you or argue, I just purely want to try help make things easier as (I hope) you are too! So please tell me another suggestion other than a list that you think would work better and hopefully others and myself will agree 😊
When OPR started the objective was to find and review Points of interest, there was a heavily implied element of Quality over Quantity. Over time things have changed and now the bar is much lower for what meets criteria.
do you feel this diminishes the database at all? Are companies looking to invest only interested in the vast number of wayspots or do they look at the quality of them?
Personally I now think the bar is insultingly low. Generic street signs for bicycles and bins for dog waste for example have recently been okayed by Niantic. This is a kick in the nether region for those of us who hunt down pure diamonds and put a lot of effort into our submissions.
@NianticTintino I would like to expand on this question that a few others asked as well.
Are you planning on providing a real time map of all the POIs in the Lightship database?
Are all accepted Wayspots entered into the Lightship database or does Lightship have proximity rules of its own?
If a POI is accepted in an incorrect location that results in it not appearing in any games due to density rules but it is still entered into the Lightship database, how would we go about requesting a location edit to correct the POIs location in Lightship?
I think all of these questions are closely related enough that they should be handled as one question. Thank you!
The only thing that would really work would be for Niantic to better-educate the reviewers.
As an aside, yet more "activity" based things that would also be legitimate: field hockey, lacrosse, polo, miniputt, disc golf, golf, driving range, ...
If it's something, group or not, that encourages activity, it already qualifies under the acceptance guidelines, and except in egregious circumstances does not get disqualified under the refusal guidelines. Reviewers, DON'T flag these things with 1* or 2* under "cultural relevance" just because YOU don't like to sport. I don't like to sport either.
I have Android 11 and I now have this problem with my new phone
Hello Explorers,
As many of you may know, the Voting starts today! Super excited to see what questions will make it onto the list! As I was gathering all of the questions and prepping them for voting, we discovered that the Voting feature I was hoping to use only allows up to 10 questions. With that being said, and so as to not delay the process while we investigate more with Vanilla, I think it would be best if we used the old method of voting; using the Like reaction button to vote.
Please make sure you go through all of the pages and vote for the questions that intrigue you the most.
I sincerely apologize as I should have trouble shot this before but the excitement of a new method got to me. Maybe for the next one in Dec 2021. Fingers Crossed!
Happy Voting!!!!
Lol @tehstone-ING 's advice about getting on the first page of questions more relevant than ever.
Also, will voting end on the 27th (5 days after) or the 30th (posted here). Or is the 30th when you expect to have the answers posted?
Since these AMA’s always have repeat (or very similar) questions and some questions which are silly or not applicable then maybe for the voting stage next time you could go through the questions and pick out some interesting ones and condense some questions for us to vote on.