wrongly removed portal "tablica pamięci"

Title of the Wayspot: Pamięci Wojsk Ochrony Pogranicza https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=52.19965,21.012461&z=17&pll=52.19965,21.012461

Tablica pamięci [removed portal, no link to intel or coords, it was about 20m from the still existing one]

City: Warszawa

Country: Poland

Additional information: there were 2 portals on the same building, other faction submitted the same photo to both of them and got 1 removed, could niantic please put the remove portal back up?.

screenshot from sv of both signs.

original photos of both portals:

exchanged photo on both portals:


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  • DrastiC83-INGDrastiC83-ING Posts: 2 ✭✭

    Both portals are in the right place. The opponent has maliciously tried to remove them for a long time and finally succeeded.

  • McXander-INGMcXander-ING Posts: 1 ✭✭

    It was so, they do not lie, Enl players in Warsaw maliciously remove portals by falsifying their names and photos. The portals listed are correct. Please correct the forgery and punish the guilty for breaking the rules.

  • syczuuu-INGsyczuuu-ING Posts: 6 ✭✭

    The second portal Tablica Wojsk Pamięci Pogranicza ( https://intel.ingress.com/intel?pll=52.19965,21.012461&z=18 ) should be removed too. This is a HQ of Straż Graniczna (Polish Border Guard). Both portals are in ineligible location (according to wayfarer rejection criteria). Also there is no pedestrian access to this objects (access is only for Polish Border Guard workers).

  • XeZar66-INGXeZar66-ING Posts: 219 ✭✭✭

    Than it has safe pedestrian access. If the workers (Polish Border Guards) have access to that wayspot, than it doesn't provide unfair advantage to only one player. It's the same case as with playground wayspots at fenced residential areas. They are accessible by all the residents of the area. Same should apply here, all workers can safely access these wayspots.

  • JJanusz-INGJJanusz-ING Posts: 1

    When we did it?

    I remember only situation when one of your players changed name and photo in one portal and stole it (changed location by more than 1km).


    Polish border aren't safer place right now, and it would be better to don't disturb border guards now.

  • SoyeRPL-INGSoyeRPL-ING Posts: 5 ✭✭

    A few words on both portals


    These are two different plaques:

    1.Border Guard soldiers who died during World War II in defense of Polish borders (marker No. 1)

    2. Border Guard Officers who are soldiers of the Home Army (marker No. 2)


    • both boards are publicly available on working days during the office hours (7.30 - 16.30). The main gate is open and anyone who wants to can approach and read the information on both boards (often underneath there are flowers folded by different people).


    • both plaques are historical objects commemorating people fighting for Polish borders


    • both boards are within the reach of each player, be it Ingress or PokemonGo, on 3 sides of the building with public sidewalks. Virtually day after day, portals are taken over by players from both factions (eg GlamPrincess, BigMacWawa, Yarowwy, JJanusz from ENL or SoyeRPL, Szaka, DrastiC83, taommeM from RES). The history of acquisitions is available in the game logs


    • access to both portals does not pose any risk to the health or safety of players or bystanders


    best regards for all players both of faction

  • Appeal Accepted - Thanks for the appeal, Agent. We gave this a second look and after reviewing the additional evidence provided, we've decided to restore the Portals in question.

  • syczuuu-INGsyczuuu-ING Posts: 6 ✭✭


    @NianticGiffard I would like to clarify SoyeRPL post he wrotes:


    both boards are publicly available on working days during the office hours (7.30 - 16.30). The main gate is open and anyone who wants to can approach and read the information on both boards (often underneath there are flowers folded by different people).

    This is a lie. I tried to get near this object closer and it was impossible (videos converted to GIF below).


    both plaques are historical objects commemorating people fighting for Polish borders

     

    Yes, that's true. But even both plaques are historical objects this is still a Border Guards territory - location may interfere with the operations of Border Guards (formation especially famous these days due to border crisis).


    both boards are within the reach of each player, be it Ingress or PokemonGo, on 3 sides of the building with public sidewalks. Virtually day after day, portals are taken over by players from both factions (eg GlamPrincess, BigMacWawa, Yarowwy, JJanusz from ENL or SoyeRPL, Szaka, DrastiC83, taommeM from RES). The history of acquisitions is available in the game logs


    That's partly true but you can't stand in the middle of portal and for exaple use ultrastrike. Also you can't do a good-quality portal scan.  


    access to both portals does not pose any risk to the health or safety of players or bystanders


    Thats's a lie. Also SoyeRPL used an old photo (actually it's not a photo - it's a printscreen from Google Street View without provide the source). I am attaching actual photo below. You can see there is a board "UWAGA! STREFA NIEBEZPIECZNA PRACA ŻURAWIA" which you can translate: DANGER! OVERHEAD CRANE AREA


  • SoyeRPL-INGSoyeRPL-ING Posts: 5 ✭✭

    in Syczuuu’s message (at the very end), you can see a photo of the scaffolding elements and the crane. Currently, there are ongoing construction works on the building and the roof and facade are being renovated (you can see it in the photo below).

    As we all know, renovation of houses, streets and buildings is a normal and, above all, temporary situation. Temporary, because after the renovation is completed, the access will be restored as before the works began. Both Boards will again be available to everyone at certain times. Obviously, during construction works, only qualified personnel who carries out the work there has access to the construction site. From the photos below (including frames from Syczuuu 's videos), you can see that there are various types of construction equipment used during the works in front of the building. The videos and the description that Syczuuu himself posted show that there is a renovation of the building and yet he wants to get to the area that is under construction to use an Ultra Strike on the portal.

    In addition, I attach photos showing both boards (they have not been removed as they are not an obstacle in the renovation). One of them is a bit obscured by some construction structures.

    Please bear in mind that both boards meet all wayfarer criteria, they do not obstruct any emergency services and both have safe pedestrian access (at designated hours) and 24/7 for the employees working in the building and can be reached in the scanner 24/7 from 3 sides of the building, which can be easily verified by checking the history of captures of those portals by both factions.


    And what Syczuuu wrote about the use of ultrastrike - there are many places where it is not possible to use weapons if the areas are closed for the night or renovation (like. zoos, cemeteries, national parks, museums, churches. etc.) Not to mention playgrounds on closed estates which are still eligible portals although they have limited access. We must remember that limited access is not a removal criteria for a portal.


    Best regards 🙂

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