Help with a Dance Studio

Great Lakes Dance Center

Clinton Township MI

NOT ACCEPTED

2021-11-13

Rejection Criteria

Other Rejection Criteria

Low Quality Photo

Description

A place to gather and exercise through dance

Location

33443 Harper Ave, Clinton Twp, MI 48035, USA

Supplemental Information

according to latest nomination criteria this fits 2 categories. a gathering place and place that promotes/encourages exercise. Dance is a great form of exercise.

Comments

  • Cowyn2016-PGOCowyn2016-PGO Posts: 101 ✭✭✭

    Like what?

    I would think any local gym, or dance studio that isn't a main chain fits. And the November eligibility refresh is defintely more current than the rejection criterial.

    It's not like there's a dance studio on every corner. Heck when I search google maps theres more baseball fields that come up than dance studios.

    So what is it your looking for?

  • VladDraco-PGOVladDraco-PGO Posts: 229 ✭✭✭

    Like to prove it's active and had an importance in the community.

    Do they do show sometimes ? Do they host competitions or participate in the community life in a form or another? Do they welcome events or participate to events?

    And like stated by some reviewers, you put low efforts on your primary picture, focus on the sign or the shop itself. What we can see here is a business with a parking between two other businesses.

    You put low efforts in your description and supplementary infos. Just repeating the criteria is not useful. Explain what is this place and why your nomination worth to be a POI.

  • Cowyn2016-PGOCowyn2016-PGO Posts: 101 ✭✭✭

    Okay, I see where your coming from.... I disagree but I see it...

    With the criteria rewrite, I didn't think I had to try and convince people it was "Important to community" or "Unique". That is an out of date standard, now that a "Place to Exercise" is a standard all by itself.

    I spent about the same amount of effort on nomination than I would a basketball court, baseball field, a trail marker. None of which I try and prove is important or unique. Because it's not being nominated under the old rules or under the place to explore standard.

  • Nadiwereb-PGONadiwereb-PGO Posts: 917 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Strongly disagree. A quick Google search told me that this studio does not belong to a chain, it's a single-location business. It is, therefore, locally unique: this is the only Great Lakes Dance Centre. If this is generic, every business in existence is generic.

    It also, very clearly, fulfills the criteria for being a gathering place and a place for excercise.

  • VladDraco-PGOVladDraco-PGO Posts: 229 ✭✭✭
    edited November 23

    I think just a best picture can do the job. The other things are just to be sure you don't waste another nomination.

    Keep in mind what you are thinking when you are a reviewer.

    When you saw a basketball court or a baseball field, you saw an open place to exercise. But when you saw a picture of a business, some people can think your trying to promote your own business or a nearby shop in your mall.

    So yes, some can make a difference, as a field is clearly open for exercise to everyone. But a business is a shop. Can be a good place, but have to be more than a simple shop.

    Post edited by VladDraco-PGO on
  • VladDraco-PGOVladDraco-PGO Posts: 229 ✭✭✭

    Btw your nomination will not pass because you're right or not. (And I think you are).


    Your nomination will pass if it's good enough to convince the reviewers. Good or bads. Keep that in mind.

  • Cowyn2016-PGOCowyn2016-PGO Posts: 101 ✭✭✭

    Thanks for replies they made me see how different reviewers are understanding the criteria differently than me. Is a Dance studio more like a Baseball Field A or Trail Marker 7 or a is a Dance Studio more like Restaurant. I started https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/25864/exercise-related-businesses-need-a-niantic-criteria-clarification#latest

    for Niantic to clear the criteria up.


    Without a clarification, either I have to resubmit and hope to get lucky and more reviewers who think places to exercise are inherently eligible under the criteria OR see if like a restuarant I can find additional information that points out its special and non-generic OR drop it.

    Anyway, thanks for replies. Good to know.

  • Jtronmoore-PGOJtronmoore-PGO Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe mention what types of classes are offered, if they do any competitions or host competitions in the community. Obviously not a generic business and does fit the criteria. Some people just love to hate the exercise criteria it seems

  • MargariteDVille-INGMargariteDVille-ING Posts: 391 ✭✭✭

    If that dance studio's web site says it mostly caters to children - that's a likely rejection for K-12.

    Also, a dance studio requires signing up for a season of lessons. The general public can't just meet there. A bowling alley or skating rink is a better waypoint, because anyone can walk in, on any random day, and pay for one hour (or whatever).

    Your nomination just screams "NEED POKESTOP AT THIS SPOT." I don't think you hang out at this dance studio, or care about it. It looks like you would have nominated that location no matter what was there. The dance studio just happened to be the thing sitting at a place you want a wayspot.

  • AScarletSabre-PGOAScarletSabre-PGO Posts: 667 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 28

    I never use a Post Office, so by your standards, if I nominate any Post Office I just want "moar Pokéstops". Yet nobody disputes that a Post Office meets the criteria, correct? Lots of things I get accepted I don't "hang out at" or really "care about", especially if it's not in my local playing area.

    People should not be limiting themselves to nominating things which "they care about". That's not what the criteria say. You appear to have arrived at the conclusion that this user only wants "moar pokéstops" and are trying to work your way back from that conclusion. I believe @Cowyn2016-PGO nominated the above dance studio with the best of intentions.

    A theater or sports arena requires buying tickets to enter because "general public can't just meet there". Are you going to suggest a a theater or sports arena is not valid either? That's what we are to logically conclude based on your statements.

  • Jtronmoore-PGOJtronmoore-PGO Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just because you have to sign up for lessons or a season doesnt make something or somewhere a bad nomination. Many golf courses even private courses are eligible wayspots. Even things in closed communities are valid, should we all of a sudden discount those because you need money to enter? The people who do go to the dance studio will end up socializing sith each other. So it is a spot for socializing. Dance is exercise so thats 2 points. Op just needs to do a more thorough job at describing the place and explaining how it meets criteria and fulfills the requirements.

  • AScarletSabre-PGOAScarletSabre-PGO Posts: 667 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yeah a golf club was a better example. To be honest, most theaters provide acting lessons too, but that does not make the theater ineligible. I guarantee, if the above nomination was a Church or a playground there would not be this ridiculous mental gymnastics in order to find reasons to reject it - people just don't like to admit that dance studios meet the criteria laid out by Niantic.

    In fact, in addition to what you said, I'd argue a dance studio could meet all three criteria laid out by Niantic. In addition to being a great place to be sociable and to exercise, learning about new dance styles teaches people about different cultures and would arguably satisfy the exploration criteria too, therefore. Of course, there are people who just want to focus on one style of dance, but if one is to be a professional ballroom dancer, they must master them all!

  • Jtronmoore-PGOJtronmoore-PGO Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Unfortunately thinking outside the small box is hard for people. Many dance studios will have a hard time getting through. Ive tried to get local gyms to be accepted with absolutely no luck. These gyms are not generic or chains but yet somehow it doesnt meet criteria and people will loterally argue to the end that a gym; that literally is meant for people to exercise in; does not meet criteria somehow. It has me dumb founded. But i guess rhats why so little people us the nomination/wayfaire sites because of such mindsets of black and white criteria applications

  • Nadiwereb-PGONadiwereb-PGO Posts: 917 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The "Generic business" rejection reason was the easiest source of agreements for a long time. Anything that's a business or looks like a business could be safely and mindlessly auto-rejected. This is deeply ingrained in people's head, and Naintic has to change their communication drastically if they want this to change.

  • Cowyn2016-PGOCowyn2016-PGO Posts: 101 ✭✭✭


    I'll readily admit I didn't do a super detailed submission.

    However, when I look at the criteria and other wayspots, I didn't think I needed to "Convince" people. Places of Exercise are a very cut and dry criteria. Basketball Courts, Baseball Fields sail through nomination without anything more than the generic picture, title, and maybe a 1 sentence description. Heck, sometimes I'll see them titled "Baseball Field A, Baseball Field B, Baseball Field C, Baseball Field D. (Local park has 4 fields, all 4 are stops/gyms literally labbled Field A,

    Likewise, bowling alleys, skating rinks, sail through. When I see a bowling alley, I guarantee you every bowling alley I pass by is a Pokestop (or gym) with literally a 1 sentence description and plain photo. No different than the Dance Studio I submitted.


    When I see a place to exercise, and that is one of the core 3 criteria, and nominate it.... It's either Yes or No. It's not a question "Need More Stops" I don't go to the dance studio.... but I don't play basketball at this court either. Here's 2 other nominations I did on the same day.


    Kyte Monroe Park basketball courts

    St. Clair Shores MI

    DUPLICATE

    2021-10-31

    Description

    pair of popular basketball courts at kyte monroe Park

    Location

    Harper + Masonic NE, St Clair Shores, MI 48082, USA

    Supplemental Information

    2 very popular basketball courts



    Now if that wasn't a duplicate.... would you be accusing me of "Just want more stops?" Would that not be approved?


    I do more detailed reviews when I am trying to nominate under the Explore or Gather Criteria. Because those take explaining. Usually places of exercise, don't require the same.


    Deep Sea Mural

    Clinton Township MI

    ACCEPTED

    2021-11-13

    Description

    wall painting about a diver about to have a really bad day meeting a shark head on

    Location

    34740 S Gratiot Ave, Clinton Twp, MI 48035, USA

    Supplemental Information

    cool painted wall that stands out. Also great humor that fits a scuba store


    ---------------

    My point..... people are judging some exercise related nominations (Gyms, Dojos, and Dance Studios) by harsher standard then they do others (Baseball fields, Nature Trails) or even other exercise related businesses (Bowling Alleys, Skating Rinks)

  • VladDraco-PGOVladDraco-PGO Posts: 229 ✭✭✭

    One of your two rejection reason was Low quality photo. Have you retried with a better picture ?

    And better description and supplementary infos.

    You copy/past a generic description and supplementary infos, said yourself you put low efforts, but here you can do 10 posts three feets longs.

    Maybe you can try doing the opposite? ^^

  • Cowyn2016-PGOCowyn2016-PGO Posts: 101 ✭✭✭

    Actually, a friend did try the dance studio with a closer photo of just the Signage/wods (Close up Great Lakes Dance Studio) and was rejected too. So I took a farther picture to get the whole studio picture.


    I can next time I do a nominating run put in more effort, but really don't know what more information it takes. How do you put more effort into showing people "Exercise" at a Dance Studio, Gym, or Dojo. You can't exactly have pictures of people dancing ... So enlighten me... what more explanation does it take then "A place to dance and exercise"... you either believe dance is exercise and therefor eligible.... or you dont. If your reviewing and rejecting because a "Dance studio" isn't "Special" or "Worth Exploring" why dont reviewers reject other exercise related nominations the same way.



    Try this out as a comparison of an accepted waypoint from a friend.

    Title: Great Lakes Dance Studio ---- vs ---- Kyte Memorial Field D

    Description: A place to gather and exercise through dance --- VS --- Kyte Monroe Memorial Park baseball field D

    Supporting Info: according to latest nomination criteria this fits 2 categories. a gathering place and place that promotes/encourages exercise. Dance is a great form of exercise. ---- VS ----- One of the baseball fields at Kyte Monroe memorial park. Hosts many baseball leagues


    When I'm nominating something under the "Explore" or even "Gather" criteria I try to convince readers. Why what I see is cool and worth it. I'm legitimately asking you when a nomination is under the "Exercise" criteria like a baseball field or dance studio what more do you need to be convinced?


    I might try again, maybe a different photo, maybe different details, but I'm currently just waiting to see if Niantic clarifies their "Explore" criteria. As for your question why not put in more effort on nomination when I can reply here.... Difference is this post can be done from home watching TV or at work on break as a time killer. Nominating for me is maybe a once a month special trip because my phone crashes when sometimes when I nominate and I can't use plus while I nominate ever. So I have to be in the mood and put in effort to make a special nomination run rather than just killing time like this post

  • frithie-PGOfrithie-PGO Posts: 14 ✭✭

    Some of my nervousness with submissions like this is that I worry they might not be well established and thus might shut down. So including some evidence that it’s been operating for some time is worthwhile too I think.

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