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I don't have any clue 😵
Looks like it could be part of their lawn, no visable signs either way. Personally i would 1* PRP as err on the side of caution.
@TavisSr-PGO My 2 cents:
I don't believe so. There's a traffic sign on the same patch of grass, and official traffic signs are usually not found in backyards. Also, the manhole cover suggests service access to city's underground sewers or conduits. That's also not usually done through a private piece of land.
No city administration can afford to have signage and manholes like that on someone's private land - they would have to ask permission each time they need to service it and could not afford refusals.
Based on that, I would approve this. Even if the green marked cadastral borders were slightly over the POI. I would have to see more of the nomination of course (could be a widely used stencil, could be an artwork).
The question is: will reviewers (with instructions to "take extra care" reviewing near-PRP PO's) accept, or reject based on those few inches? I suspect most of them won't bother to dig up those cadastral maps.
Yes, it appears to be on private residential property by anyone observing the location. There is nothing that indicates where the property line is and if the reviewer can't see it, they have to presume it is at the edge of the street/road. Second, being on private residential property is not its only problem. There is no sidewalk or other pedestrian footpath at the location and would not be acceptable.
Actually its not un common to have things like that on PRP, and they dont usually have to ask permission they just give the required notice period, (usually 24 hours) and then just turn up and access it.
I'd probably not upgrade it so only people from my area would review it because we everyone walks on the road because it is legal here. I walk my dogs by here daily while waving at police parked across the street.
Would you take into account that north/southwise it doesn't line up wit the fence?
A road or street for vehicles is not a pedestrian walking space. Even if you happen to get this approved, it would get removed on the first invalid Wayspot report.
Acorrding to Florida Statute 315.130 it is.
Not according to Niantic's established standards. They remove these types of Waypots all the time for lacking pedestrian access despite all the appeals from people claiming that they can legally walk in the road.
Stop using what holds up and what doesn't for removal requests as criteria. We've both seen examples of what appear to be clear cut private residential property, k-12 grounds, or unsafe pedestrian access held up and refused to be removed.
You're suggesting something located on a grassy patch has no safe pedestrian access. You also suggested it was private residential property. How can somebody's front yard also be considered to have unsafe pedestrian access?
I know nothing about the laws on PRP in This country.
Having looked very carefully at the information provided ( the tree and the street signs) I would say that the cover in question is outside of the area marked on the land parcel viewer. So not on PRP.
It also seems from that info that there is a section of grass beside the road that is not PRP and could reasonably be assumed as a safe walking area.
having said all that…..
I don’t think reviewers would take the time and effort to weigh up everything and it is finely balanced, so is it worth it?
In Florida? It's not your fault, you can only talk about stuff you've seen, but as mostly only Floridians will see this, we can reasonably assume that it would be who live by the same laws I do. I never made the claim that I can legally walk in the street. I pointed out the statute that states I CAN legally walk down the street. Even if a tourist from WI REALLLLY wanted to, it's a lot of work to get one removed. I don't think many people are that invested in removing a drain mural.
Sorry im not getting what you mean ?
I'm in the camp of "this is far enough away from the single family private residential property", and the road signage does swing it for me. If it were me and I saw this, I like the art and I'd have a go at nominating it. Speed humps imply a quiet residential neighbourhood and I'd argue that patch of concrete counts as a pavement/sidewalk.
A small side note on this: in some places in the world (like in my country) there are areas designated 'shared space' that all traffic can walk/bike/drive through, where it's mandatory that the cars give way to all other forms traffic. At some places here in the Netherlands, they can only drive about 9 mph.
I grew up in such a residential area, and all children are literally playing on those roads, stepping aside when a car came crawling by. Those areas here are marked with a (to us) well known sign, but the sign is only there at the entrance of such areas. I don't know about the submitters' residential area status (I agree it looks like a road for cars, speed bumps and all), but I wouldn't rule out pedestrian access just because more forms of traffic are allowed.
Yeah that is rather contradictory. A garden has no safe pedestrian access? If it's on private residential property then it's not in the road. Can't have it both ways. Annoying when people don't want to admit they don't like a Wayspot and will find any other excuse so that don't have to admit they don't like it.
It's not contradicotry. There is no sidewalk or other footpath on the "public" side of the street, thus it has no pedestrian access on that side. If you claim that you can access it from the yard side, then it is still unacceptable because that would mean people will have to be on PRP to access it.
Without getting involved too much, based on that picture of the boundary line, there is space to walk along thats public .... its not a lot of space I admit, but there is space
Two issues you have to overcome.
As for the POI itself, looks to be a unique piece of street art, applicable to the object and I would not consider this graffiti so I am inclined to accept. Perfect Wayspot for a small residential community.
I am genuinely curious as to how if there is no official walking area and it can be against the law to walk on the road how are people meant to walk from A-B?
I can see why Niantic might want a simplistic view that there needs to be a distinct pedestrian walking area to keep lawyers happy. But I do think that there needs to a review. Globally there are so many different accepted practices. It has become more common to “design out cars” in residential areas by removing a distinction between road and pavement- in many ways going back to villages before major transport. And many current rural places are baffled at why you would waste resources building a separate walkway.
Not to mention, a looooot of places, there is no sidewalk, its just road, and pedestrians have first right of way there, I remember seeing a place where the pub door literally opened up onto the places main street and that was normal
For North American municipalities (Canada & US), it's generally at least this much in local bylaws:
Right got it, so the mailman (or woman) never uses that mail box in the images provided because it's not safe for them to do so?
The mailman (or woman) walks on PRP to deliver, an option Niantic players should not be exercising.
I’m not really on board with the ‘inaccessible’ argument, but I’m definitely not on board with comparing an agent/trainer out playing video games to postal delivery doing a job in service of the homeowner.
Given the location of the mailbox, they do not need to be on PRP to deliver the mail. The mailbox is pratically in the road. The reason I believe this road to be safe for pedestrians must be my European brain.
What I'm trying to get at is that a road like this is a shared space. I really dislike the North American mindset of "cars are king and pedestrians should be nowhere to be found". Roads have existed long, long before cars, and it increasingly seems that to many pedestrians are seen as an invonenciance, even though the road is just as much theirs as that of the car. We should be encouraging pedestrians. Drivers need to learn to tolerate pedestrians!