Valid Nominations with Upgrades get permanently rejected
Stahlprofi-PGO
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Wayfarer gets more and more frustrating, my last 5 Upgrades all were viable Submissions, but they get rejected for fake reasons within a very short period of time. Unique pieces of art should not be permanent or playgrounds are unsafe and impede emergency routes...
I am living in the western part of Germany, in other parts of the country even worse submissions get accepted, it seems like Bots reject everything here. Has anyone experienced the same in the last couple weeks or can help?
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Niantic should really take a closer look at the bot theory. The current rate of rejections is significantly higher than it used to be.
One of the reasons was not_found. What information is available for reviewers to confirm the location on that one?
I'm not certain what that hut is or why it qualifies.
@DerWelfe2205-PGO With the recent increase in the number of things people can submit I would expect that the average quality would decline. If you feel like you have to save your submissions for the best stuff you're less likely to go for that thing that really doesn't qualify but hey, maybe you'll get lucky so may as well submit it.
The reasons are gold :D
I heard the same thing from ingress only players who haven't gotten any extra nominations. It's hard to give objective proof without insight into the system though.
Wayfarer was and is still broken. Niantics efforts are there, but the base problems still will continue as Niantic hasnt re-thought the Idea of Wayfarer.
Now, Trainer, pls resubmit.
You could post the full nomination details in the Nomination Improvement forum. You might be surprised what flaws an objective third party can find with your submissions, along with ways to mitigate them. Niantic certainly does an awful job of providing feedback, so finding specific details that need attention can be difficult. That would, at the very least, be way more productive than just assuming your reviewers are frauds.
It's not at all about that. It's almost impossible to get even a great wayspot accepted since about the beginning of November. Everything gets rejected with absolutely ridiculous reasons. Wayspots which has been no problem so far has no chance anymore. So certainly the problem is somewhere else and it's a pity, that nominators spend (sometimes) a lot of time with submissions and reviewers can reject it with just one click spending no time at all. The only thing you get is the "thank you" in the mail from niantic, so you feel helpless and frustated.
It would really be great niantic would have a look what is going so absolutely wrong at the moment and gives some feedback, because this situation is terrible (well, hope never dies).
@Hosette-ING The hut may be the "worst" submission of these, but its a little house for children on a playground.
Unless no street view is available at the location, I upload photospheres, in the additional information I describe why it qualifies as a POI regarding the criteria. If the reviewers would take some time for the review, everything can be proved.
In my opinion an objective third view in the nominations feedback forum would not help, e.g. I submitted the "Owl on Power" three times, 2 times after several people gave me tipps how to improve... I think the problem is something else, the reviewers or maybe Bots just reject it without looking at it.
It seems to affect more and more people. For this reason I reported the topic under Report a bug. You are welcome to hang your screenshots there. Maybe they should take a look at it.
I can well understand the author of these nominations, the number of absurd deviations has increased recently. The deviations on the grounds of "lack of cultural value" are particularly perplexing. How does this work at all, Niantic? It's not a basic reason for rejection!
@NianticGiffard @NianticDanbocat
More and more people experience the same problem of ridiculous rejections for valid nominations, there are several threads about this topic, e.g. https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/25780/alles-wird-abgelehnt
From what I see mostly in Germany. We need you to get into action here soon. Thank you!
I have already created a thread on this topic under Report a bug. As I understand it, the topic has to be voted on before Niantic looks at it. So the more people get in touch, the sooner they look at it. It would of course be helpful if you could post your examples there too. Here is the link:
Thanks at all...
That may be correct, but it can be the case that if 1 or 2 evaluators rate a proposal that is historically valuable with just one star, the whole proposal will be rejected.
Again, it is not about the generally valid rejection criteria but about the points to be rated with stars: description, historically valuable, visually unique, etc.
My guess is also, that there is some kind of big group using reviewing bots or something like that. Since there are only honeypots out there, that need to get rejected, afaik, the bots don't have to care about their rating, when they are rejecting evrything.
There are lots of threads now with complaints from Germany, especially the southern half of it, about an unusual high amount of rejected 5* candidates. the climax of this is the rejected church from a village without a single wayspot from this thread:
https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/25780/alles-wird-abgelehnt#latest
My own expierience:
My hardest rejections from last few weeks in this thread: https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/25650/most-disgusting-rejections-of-the-last-days#latest
Further hint, that something is wrong: 5 weeksago me and my folks made a small trip to the mountains and started to submit a first wave of ~100 nearly identical objects, 2 or 3 dozens. The first wave had 80% success. Two weeks ago I sent out another wave of 28 of these candidates and had only 10 of them approved. So within 3 weeks the success rated was halved.
I don't know, whether this is related to this topic, bur also during the last few weeks we had lots of Scrap candidates accepted in my town:
So please @NianticGiffard @NianticDanbocat @NianticTintino check all the mentioned example from these collection of threads and find the dumb voters/bots and ban them.
Further examples following....
Further example from social media:
(art object, that has evrything in it, what a reviewer needs, name of the object, artist .... if something needs verification, than use google)
Bike routes are live animals
How about if niantic can introduce a captcha every time ppl select reject? It might be able to reduce bot review and maybe can scrap or reduce cooldown period too... Yeah it might be extra work for reviewer, but at least we dont need to worry about cooldown.
Would be also not useful .... in Germany right now 2/3 of the submissions are really coal ....
@Hitchhiker79-PGO writes:
That may be correct, but it can be the case that if 1 or 2 evaluators rate a proposal that is historically valuable with just one star, the whole proposal will be rejected.
Why do you believe that 1-2 reviewers rating something 1* will result in a rejection?
Because the reasons for rejection are not the actual rejection criteria. Or where do you find the point in the rejection criteria not historically valuable? You can only rate that using the stars and that's why my guess is that what is going wrong at this point. It could also be that a few more reviewers have to rate a 1 *, but I have never received rejections with historically not valuable or secure access. I know what reports come in the event of a rejection and I haven't had them yet.
@Hitchhiker79-PGO I've written extensively about this but my best guess is that the code that generates rejection email is doing a bad job. I think it tries really hard to find three rejection reasons to include and if it doesn't find three from the 1* rejection reasons it looks for fields where the average star rating was low and includes those. It's trying to help, but what it's really doing is "helping".
If you look at the secondary star fields the majority of them have a parallel 1* rejection reason:
We don't know because Niantic doesn't tell us but it may be the case that if something is rejected for pedestrian access we could get that reason in one or two different ways-- by reviewers choosing the 1* rejection for safe pedestrian access, or if a lot of reviewers just voted 1* or 2* for the Safe Access field. In the case of historical/cultural significance and visual uniqueness there's no parallel so those rejection reasons catch our attention.
The one thing that's obvious to me is that the reasons given in rejection email are reliable enough to be treated as hard evidence. I see them as "Here are some things that reviewers didn't like."
Also, look at question #8 on the September AMA:
There is a persistent rumor that rating a candidate 1* or 2* in any category is a rejection of the whole submission. In other words, any 1* or 2*, even for something like "Historical or Cultural Significance", is the same as voting 1* or 2* for the "Should this be a Wayspot?" question. Can you confirm or deny this?
Let’s get this rumor all ironed out. So, yes, a 1* rejection on the first question “Should this be a Wayspot” will trigger the list of ineligible reasons, which is also you marking it as a rejection. The 2* is not. For the rating on Historical and Cultural Significance, it does not actually affect the final decision. But the scores may matter for our other products built on the platform.
Is it any coincidence that the same has happened to my upgraded nominations in Hong Kong too? I can't say my nominations are a good representation for the case of Hong Kong, but I just think my rather confident nominations being rejected like that was quite frustrating and has done nothing but stopped me from submitting or reviewing any further.
and 75% of the reviewers are not interested in having more portals.
But why they don't want more portals? I do not understand...
Everything gets rejected at the moment. its not only me, my entire community in my area gets only rejectings. I just post mine of the last week . especially the reasons are all strange as hell. it looks like there are some bots taking over wayfarer or another „niantic upsi“ (bug)
Some of those, particularly the water troughs, are not eligible and a few appear to be on private residential property. But without more context, there is no way to definitive say one way or the other.
Theres your pretty face with red hat in the contribution "Jesus verblichenen"
I've been thinking about this discussion a fair bit. I also just had a conversion with someone on Facebook who posted a screenshot that seems to be 60 submissions in a row being rejected though there may have been some selective editing in how he took the screenshots. He's also in Germany.
It seems very likely to me that there's a reviewing botnet rejecting a lot of stuff in Germany. There's one thing I'm missing though... what's the motivation? It could just be griefing, I guess, but that doesn't feel right to me. Setting up a botnet seems like a lot of work to grind a badge. **** upgrades seems dumb if everything is going to be rejected, though I guess you could feed your bots a list of your own submissions so they pass those. Even so, it seems like that's more effort than it's worth.
What am I missing? Why would one set up a Negative Nellie botnet?