Why bother making poke stop ?!
tibmag82-PGO
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These is my first and last post. I recently got level 38 for my community of 15 players in remote village with green protected area, no landmarks like information table or jogging routes "signs". In these case i used pumping station and dirt road crossroad name signs on walking/jogging/biking route with of course get rejected. I'm so disappointed on Niantic and community. I'm disappointed on Ninatic about rules for poke stops not distinguishing rules for small settlement and cities (these is easy visible on satellite maps for example). I'm disjointed on review community to to verifying or checking if there are any poke-stops there or seeing on map how big the village city is! 20 km from my village i see Wrocław city i Poland where there are poke stops on some junk graffiti from vandals, poke-stops with No pictures. I see 20 like poke-stop around apartment blocks so tens of players don't even need to get out from block cause they have "fitness area or playground " 10 meters from them. I see poke stops accepted on some "junk" that is temporary or even on private properties. But my small community cant get poke stop on walking/jogging/biking dirt route route with pedestrians priority cause i used the only available marker there : pumping station and crossroad street name sign and it get rejected cause it is "false location" and "inadequate location". So to summarize local 15 players community want to make one poke-stop on black whole area, but no Sir you cant and mean time 20 km from me tens of players from comfortably apartment block spins poke-stops like trash can, vandal graffiti or liquor store and these is all fine. I'm also reviewer but I'm taking under account if these is small village or city and if the only land mark there is for example sculpture on volunteer Fire Department or cross near road without side walk or streets crossing and yes I accept it, cause i calculate all yes and no in these case, I check if these is safe in respect and understanding about the location (like country specific and distinguishing about small and big locations) and know how the small village look like in difference to big city.
One important rules is that poke-stop cannot give advantage to one group or players... In these case you should delete like 80% of big city landmarks and all land marks closer than 50m from any apartment blocks ...
I'm going from P2p to F2P now or maybe stooping playing the game cause what for? When the kids I was trying tom make the stop cant even explore cause i don't have "valid" land marks in my location ...
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What do you think a sewage pumping station and a generic street sign are eligible?
While I do agree, niantics guidelines are too American City centered (especially as they want people out exploring), the pumping station meets nothing that would encourage exploration
If that sign is for a trail though, you could push for that, but its its just a bog standard street sign for a path, yeah, it's gonna fail
Guys you can read description on attached files, these are like the only landmarks on the wlaking/jogging/bikking route with pedestrians priority. These is ecological gravitational pumping station (it is located near protected green area - Widawa Vaely- lakes visible on satellite map) and it is same, like generic land marks, and the only possible land marks there. And YES kids do play near it. Playing on the road or walking, biking etc. US/EU standards are different, Big city/ small village land marks are different, rules to apply for big village and small city Should be different. Small villages in Poland or for example neighboring Germany are also different. But what is frustrating the most is unfair of how you can make poke-stop on Big city and small village. You Don't have a lot of land marks to pick in small village and also what is frustrating when you see examples accepted by community that are either false, offensive, or should not be in any way a pokestop(see attached examples). But the generic sign ore pumping station on side road and on the route of jogging, playing walking bilking is not accepted. Rules are rules ok, i don't dispute, but these is simply not working and it is mostly unfair for players from small communities...
See examples accepted in other locations ... And tell me how i can explain the local kids (cause I'm 40 :) ) why they cant get their pokes-stop but fallen post or trash can in city can get poke stop 😶 🤨😐️
Both were correctly rejected as neither meets the eligibility criteria.
As other people said, these are very weak candidates. Also, you should never use the same picture twice. There's a reason it's called Wayspot picture (focus on the Wayspot) and a supporting picture (includes the Wayspot, but also the surrounding area). If you're using the same picture for both photo slots, then it's very difficult as a reviewer to validate your candidate. Most of the times these are fake candidates. Another tip is to never argue that bad, existing Wayspots were accepted some time ago. Criteria changes, make sure to read through it and ask yourself if your candidates really fulfill the current criteria!
A sewage pumping station & a directional sign? Neither meet criteria.
Review the criteria on the Wayfarer website. Submit something eligible.
@tibmag82-PGO are there any footbridges? Any artwork anywhere at all? Local gathering places? Maps? Anything?
A bus stop/waiting area/village plaza/locally owned shop/welcome signt Etc. there are a lot of things you can nominate in a rural area that is easier to defend than a pumping station.
Don’t take items that are live as to what’s acceptable now.
Lots of Scout Huts are live for example but are now K-12 rejects. Lots of charity shops were added from Ingress’ #missionforgood but are no longer eligible.
One cross in middle of the village on main road crossroad(no sidewalk ) and poke-stop there. Second pocestop on local meeting place third in private company for concrete and that's all. I have not cretaed these pocestops there were already here maybe done automatically from Niantic i don't know. No maps, no art work, there is green protected area but it is as a "area" not one specific location ... so it is how its is :(
You have a Wayspot on private property, and one on the main road with no pedestrian access? Sounds like you need to report those for removal.
Niantic added a lot of Wayspots via Foursquare which will not have photos.
I know what are the criteria, I'm also a reviewer with good results, never failed exam. I'm just frustrated how global criteria are effectic small communities. And I'm just frustrated on how unfair is it for small villages that are left behinde in correspondence to medium or big cities and also what type of pgo stops exist already and should not even be considered. Time and time again guys in such a small places you dont have much to pick (or rather anything "land marking" type) and to use, trust me on that. So the only option is to travel in weekedn to bigger city to find some new poke...
Have you tried talking to your local council or politician, and seeing if there’s something they can do?
A plaque for an important event, or about putting in some facilities like a playground that would benefit the community?
Should I ? Next pockestop 10 km without sidewalk to other village, so how can i even once a day spin pokestop or finish mission type like spin pokeston 7 days in a row ... Should I diminish my village location even more ? Very good question...
Yes, tried. For village type of few hundred people you cannot expect much funding and it is mostly for local need of rather conservation then expanding... 2 possible location are already used. Other problems is local law, for these and many other villages in Poland that can't get sidewalks. These is due the fact that village is local government and road/sidewalk is a district government so local cannot build sidewalks, only district can and trust me district has a lot o villages like these to lets say "update" ...
I can see you have a basketball court/park as a Waypoint a little ways along from the sewage station and two other Wayspots too.
What is this?
If not private property looks like a park/golf course so may be eligible.
You say that you know criteria but then submit a sewage station, so I would suggest looking at criteria again.
Then you should know sewage pumpig station is not eligible, yes?
You can vent your frustation because the system is already a joke. Yes, there are nominations that should not be accepted, but if they somehow become accepted then the Wayspots cannot be removed unless the actual object is also removed irl.
The Pac-man one seems legit, isn't it @XeZar66-ING ?
"Then you should know sewage pumping station is not eligible, yes?" as a playground yes it is not eligible, but as a landmark on waking/biking/jogging route and on the side walk , why not ? Pedestrians walk near it, these place is save and lets stop calling in sewage :) it is pumping station on side walk. When you have literally "nothing" to choose tell me what to choose ? :)
Look on these :
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Must meet at least one of the three eligibility criteria
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So if pumping station or street name sign is not eligible as place on walking route for small community and in correspondence big city trash can, scribbles on walls are treated as graffiti/mural/art and other "great" examples so there is something wrong here or maybe it is just me ?
I honestly think that I have never seen a village in Central-Eastern Europe that doesn't have most of the following:
In historically Catholic areas (which includes pretty much all of Poland) there are usually multiple crosses and chapels (usually next to main roads entering/leaving the village, as a blessing to travelers), statues of saints (particularly St. John of Nepomuk at bridges and rover crossings) and a calvary.
I find it really hard to believe that a sewage pump and a generic street sign are the best points of interest in this place.
I've made many, many Waypoints in rural areas and small towns. It can be difficult to find good candidates, true, but I'd imagine it's a similar situation for non-players: if your area has no grocery store, petrol station, fire services, or recreational facilities, then a lack of in-game Wayspots is definitely not the primary hardship. Keep trying! Anything pointing to your area's history, or religious facilities, might have a better chance of passing.
Dude’s got 3 POIs in his town and you think he should remove 2 of them? What a tone-deaf answer.
He said a private company, not PRP. No reason to remove at all.
You’re in a tough spot. Examining the Google map doesn’t seem to help; the few pin locations for businesses look like abandoned barns on street view. The park seems to have room on the northern and eastern ends for as many as three more POIs, if you can find things worth nominating in there;
Additionally, I’m sure you know what Google doesn’t… is there a church or other place of worship nearby? When people discuss the business of the area, is there a meeting hall where they go? Are there any markers that reference the founding or history of the village?
Just keep in mind that you’ll probably have to do a lot of Google work by adding pins and photospheres to get the map data to cooperate with your nomination information.
Wrong location my friend... 😉
Church - none
WW2 memorial - none
community hall - First poke stop
-football field - Basketball same as poke stop 1
-playground - same as poke stop one 1
With all due respect you probably visited small town not village, i know what I'm talking about here 😉
Check for your self:
Also I made a map with poke stops.
You haven't been in remote but beautiful location in Poland like these
Guys there is not a lot of place to maneuver, see the actual poke-stops and 2 that i have tried to added. Maybe these will help to understand how difficult situation can be for local areas or small villages with small players community😉
You are correct that the rules for Wayspots favor larger areas.
I took a brief look through Google maps. I see what appears to be a cheese shop... it's not a great candidate but you might be able to get it past reviewers if you word your supporting information very carefully. There also appears to be a pharmacy that you might be able to sell if it's any sort of community hub.
"With all due respect you probably visited small town not village"
Believe me, I've visited lots of small villages, both for work and for leisure. I have never seen one that didn't have a church or other place of worship. This is highly unusual.
That being said, the sewage pump and street sign aren't, and never will be, eligible.
Maybe the local municipality and/or community could try and get funding for a nature trail?
I'm only looking at this on my phone so far, but I want to point out that individual features within a park can qualify to be their own wayspot if they meet criteria (like a basketball court or playground). That said, for a small park like this one, they may still end up too close together to become their own wayspots in Pokémon GO (or any other specific Niantic game).
The park can hold 3 more stops. I posted a quick and dirty division of the s17 cells on the park but maybe it was too quick and too dirty to get the point across effectively.