Farm shop/ stand

What is your opinion about a permanently shop on a farmyard side. Most of the time the shop is located right next to a street and is 24/7 accessible.

Does this still falls under the criteria for Prp or is the local business which sells local produced goods an exception.

- As they are great for exploration when visiting unknown areas,

- permanent physical: the shop,

- for pedestrians safe: it is a business on a farmyard so the farmer wants people to get on there property,

- accurate infos: about there product range.

Some links for clarification:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/rWp4HBUAY54IwBIYnHYNw-xpZaxTUtYn38pQhlqygq8CIrHUwMGDBIdTZnAijt_xwUNSl_YwmmkZz4bY_yV4y_WvcUDcGuGd-ZjmJQA=s0 on the right side is the "Hoflädla", some German dialect form for "Hofladen" = farm shop, visible.

Hope this makes it clear what I want.

Are farm shops eligible wayspots?

Comments

  • sogNinjaman-INGsogNinjaman-ING Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • AScarletSabre-PGOAScarletSabre-PGO Posts: 723 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2021

    A farm shop could be deemed "locally unique", in certain instances. Generally a hard sell though. For me it really depends. Some just look so bland. Others have a unqie charm to them. I would take a farm shop on a case by case basis therefore, as it's not always an easy accept or reject.


    P.s. see here for recent Niantic comment on the definition of "locally uniqie":


    https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/27089/what-does-locally-unique-mean#latest

  • VladDraco-PGOVladDraco-PGO Posts: 281 ✭✭✭

    To elaborate a bit more :

    Farm shop are on farm lands, so ineligible.

    Other arguments don't matter, rejection criteria for PRP or farm are over any acceptance criterias.

  • Ganta3Crow9-PGOGanta3Crow9-PGO Posts: 11 ✭✭

    So now it's one against and one for it.

  • 0X00FF00-ING0X00FF00-ING Posts: 673 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My answer will seem wishy-washy.

    Whether it's acceptable/eligible or not depends entirely on Niantic's definition of "PRP", which includes both single-family residential property and single-family farms.

    IF the "farm" in question is anything more than a privately owned farm, then locations at/on that farm may be eligible. But the onus is definitely on the submitter to prove so, as the vast majority of such stands ARE just for a bit of side cash for the farm owners. Does the farm have tours? It it a licensed place of business with a gift shop?

    Being in a region chock full of local wineries and (to phrase it badly) "grape farms", SOME could qualify, and SOME definitely don't. Some have self-serve fruit stands, both those that are part of wine-tasting tours, as well as those that just grow grapes to resell to wine factories.

    It's a fairly low bar, but it still must be met.

  • sogNinjaman-INGsogNinjaman-ING Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Generic business - not interesting - is not a place for exploration, to be social or to excercise.

  • Gazzas89-PGOGazzas89-PGO Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2021

    I mean, personally i wold reject all but one, that one being Jeremy Clarksons one as that would defo meet the exploration criteria (it's most definitely somewhere I'd go put my way to go and take a friend etc.)


    As for the argument about it being on farm so prp, i think, as they're shops, they expect people to go to them, most would even have car parks at them, its not the same as gling onto someone's farm randomly (btw, in Scotland wr have right to roam, so the prp of farm technically wouldn't matter here in the same wag as, by law, we can go onto farmland so long as its not the bit crops are growing on. It's not that important, but I've seen a trig stone or 2 that is on farmland but is in the area where people have right to roam)

  • MelodyS88Chi-PGOMelodyS88Chi-PGO Posts: 259 ✭✭✭
    edited December 2021

    It doesn't matter if they expect people to go to them. If it is a private farm, it is ineligible. The same applies to home based businesses. They are ineligible even if the business would be something eligible if it was located in a retail or commercial space. This is true even if the homeowner has a separate entrance for business customers other than the front door of their house. Niantic has the exclusion criteria for PRP including private farm land and they do not make exceptions.

  • niktero-PGOniktero-PGO Posts: 106 ✭✭✭
    edited December 2021

    This runs into the issue of private or public. If they have a farm stall where they sell things to people coming by then they are setting up a business. This is a business run out of a home but still an actual business where they earn living money, not a kid's lemonade stand. I have no problem accepting these as long as the structure is up most of the year. They don't need to sell things year round but they do need to have set things up so they don't mind unfamiliar cars/ people dropping by. This is different from a farmhouse that has no stall and would consider any unfamiliar arrival to be trespassing. A business run from a home turns part of that area into public by default as long as it is the kind of business that has foot-traffic and is not all online. Private property is not an issue. Think of all the bakers who live overtop of their bakery or restaurants who do the same.

  • MelodyS88Chi-PGOMelodyS88Chi-PGO Posts: 259 ✭✭✭
    edited December 2021

    You are not Niantic so what you have no problem accepting despite it very clearly meeting exclusion criteria is irrelevant. Niantic has clarified that home based businesses are excluded under the PRP umbrella.

  • Gazzas89-PGOGazzas89-PGO Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Except its a shop, it has customers all day and has a car park, that then would not be private but public. Its different from a home based business, as that home base business wouldn't be expecting people to park there for longer than a few minutes and would want rid of people after a certain time


    Also, you say there are no exceptions, but there are, they've already said it depends on the local law when it comes to things such as what's on the sidewalk in front of s House, in America people rejectbthings up to the road, but everywhere else the prp line ends at the start of the sidewalk, sidewalk is not prp so things are allowed there

  • Elijustrying-INGElijustrying-ING Posts: 550 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don’t see why a permanent farm shop would count as PRP. By setting aside part of the farm buildings as a shop accessible to the public, that part is now not PRP. This does not mean the rest of the farm changes, it remains PRP.

    Many farms have had to diversify to survive and attract customers to them.

    Some farm shops are simply small routine businesses.

    Some sell very specialist produce - they may be acting as an outlet for several local craft food and drink businesses. Some of these have become quite large with bespoke new buildings.

    Some have set up as a farm shop and have a cafe as well ( which then requires toilet facilities) and expand to have a play area.

    I thought this is why we are asked to judge something based on an individual situation. 🤔

    So it is then up to the submitter to say why this is not just farm and why the additional facilities make this a great place to explore, socialise extra.

  • Ganta3Crow9-PGOGanta3Crow9-PGO Posts: 11 ✭✭

    In your opinion farm shops led by local farmers are generic businesses, chain stores, are you serious. Do you see a famous chain in the attached sources?

    It is a place for exploration when showing s.o. where to get local fruits, vegetables or local produced foods from.

    One learn about local produced goods and one can buy their products instead of going into the next supermarket and buying this same product from the other side of the globe. Eating locally and informing others does make them a great POI but also a great Wayspot.

    Maybe one can ask @NianticGiffard for a better clarification if this could be an exception of the PRP rule because they are locally unique shops.

    Shops ≠ PRP in my opinion.

  • sogNinjaman-INGsogNinjaman-ING Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would not reject this shop because of PRP, I would reject it because it does not meet eligibility criteria:

    Does not meet eligibility criteria

    Does not seem to be a great place of exploration, place for exercise, or place to be social. The object is generic or not interesting.

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