Why is everything declined?
Minale90-PGO
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I wonder how people are rating the suggestions. Everything I suggested gets rejected out of nonsense reasons! Are people actually rating in a proper way? I dont think this is fair at all.
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Lets see some of your nominations in full - both photos and text. That's the only way we can properly comment.
You need to show some of your nominations with the full details, and then we can help see why they may have been rejected.
I know this can vary from area to area, but after two years I've come to the realisation that the very définition of 'acceptable' is 'will it get accepted by reviewers', and that if I get a rejection, it's because I've done something wrong.
i think many are lazy just want easy points but good legit submissions should not get denied thats just sad.
I can't make a decision without seeing the candidates you submitted.
I understand how it can be frustrating, but I truly believe that if you follow the guidelines and ask for help in your local communities you can get a better than 80% return on your nominations. Regarding the rejection reasons.....I think you can ignore the second reason most times as people still seem to choose a random criteria some of the time as they still think you need to type a reason in the "Other rejection criteria" category when you don't since it changed from "Does not meet criteria". Please feel free to post some of your examples and Guys don't be too harsh if/when they do ;)
Do your nominations clearly and unambiguously meet the eligibility criteria, the acceptance criteria, and does not meet any of the rejection criteria? The overwhelming majority of people who complain about having "everything rejected" often don't even know the criteria themselves or attempt to stretch the criteria far beyond acceptable lengthens to claim that something is eligible.
@Minale90-PGO It's possible that people are rejecting things incorrectly, but we can't know without seeing them. It's also possible that there's something about your submissions that make them more likely to be rejected. Let me explain.
There are two important components to getting things approved. The first one is to choose something that is clearly eligible, in that it meets the eligible criteria as spelled out by Niantic in the documentation and doesn't run afoul of any of the rejection criteria (such as being on K-12 school property.)
The second component is often overlooked, and that's how you present your submission. It's pretty easy to just take a couple of pictures, add some text, and send it in... a lot of people do exactly that. Those submissions often get rejected because they can be hard for reviewers to understand, and to verify the accuracy of the information and the location of the candidate. There's also a subtle psychological component to this-- something looks sloppy, haphazard, or unappealing can make reviewers less willing to approve it.
A really good submission presents the information well, anticipates questions that reviewers might have, and takes steps to address them. For example, if something isn't visible in street view or satellite view you can use supporting info to help reviewers with that. A while ago I wrote an article titled "How to submit things that get accepted" that is intended as a guide to making it easier for reviewers to accept your submission. You can find that article here: https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/9890/how-to-submit-things-that-get-accepted
At the end of the day, this a game. So with that being said, people do need to really lighten up with how strict they rate stuff when reviewing. Anything that falls into the guidelines Niantic gave us is an easy acceptance. A lot is open to interpretation and those are simply examples given, not the only things acceptable. Example is a local eatery. It’s a community gathering spot and unique attraction to that community. So when I review, I realize I’m not part of that community so I don’t know how valuable something is. So unless it’s total **** or clearly fits into one of those unacceptable categories, I usually pass majority of things. The more people accept, the more it benefits everyone in the games. At the end of the day, this is a game and it’s not the real world.
yes you are right, is niantics job to do the real quality control in the end, however beware now, the classic -ing guys will spam disagree in you, i foreseen it
We will see how many appeals end up being accepted or not and that will determine if reviewers are being too ridiculous with their own made up criteria or not.
Definitely read Hosette's guide. A lot of folks who tell me they that "everything is denied" are submitting random things where they want to have a portal or pokestop/gym, not going out and finding things that would make good Wayspots. And when you submit, remember it is a Wayspot for all Niantic games that you are submitting, not just a pokestop like the prompt tells you in that game.
(I only started playing Ingress to get more Pokestops, so I am not an Ingress old guard naysayer, fyi.)
over the time I have submitted a couple of stops. Did not know how this works until now.
I mean I knew that if some stops are too close to each other they might be considered the same, an did not really know about the process.
Now I have created an account here because I found it hard to believe that one of the stops were rejected. Sadly I’ve already appealed so I don’t know the reasons. But I saw the reasons why others were rejected and I find them to be bad. Very bad reasons. So please, say how I can give here some examples.
I do agree that reviewers need to be a bit more lenient than they are just bow, there is defo a bit of snobbery when it comes to reviewing from older reviewers, but it still needs to
1. Meet eligibility criteria (which some how isn't acceptance criteria, it really should be)
2. Doesn't meet rejection criteria
I tried to post the print screen of my nomination but it doesn’t seem to work.
Is this better?
Ok. It seems I could do it:)
the first photo is of the access road. The second of the map, and the 3rd of what the pokestop should be.
I thought I submitted it some time ago, but it does not show in my history so must have failed.
so the sign I took a photo of reads
stadion comuna berevoesti
so there can be no doubt it is a stadium in the village berevoesti.
so… why was this not accepted?
The main problem with the nomination is that the main photo only shows a dirt road - no sign of a Football pitch or football stadium. The supporting photo is also poot, it just shows a little bit of a building rather than helping reviewers locate the Waypoint on the map.
Take a photo of the football pitch and stands as the main photo, to show without doubt this is a football stadium.
The supporting photo needs to show the stadium and some of the road leading up to it.
ok. So I might be wrong regarding the first one. Some help with this one?
it has pedestrian access, it also is in the right location.
I will also need help with a 3rd one.
I can accept I am doing something wrong, on the other hand, I know some stories from a friend of the guy I’ve been reporting for 2 years:)) and I really hold a teeth against how wayfarer works, but… meh.
6 accounts and spoofing, 3 gyms very near to his location, 2 of them in his house.
this is besides the point since I’ve learned to live with that.
I would improve the photo by taking it straight on and filling the frame more or less with the mural - so get onto the grassy area and try to keep the tree out of the photo if you can.
As with all murals you need to say if it has been done by a local artist and is it permanent. If you know why it’s there say so.
It looks like a little cabin of sort that it’s painted on - say what it is to remove doubts about it being a public place
The supplementary photo doesn’t show it so as a reviewer I can’t work out how the mural relates to the things in that photo.
I haven’t checked street view, but is the wall visible ? If not you would be best to make a photosphere to help the reviewer.
@Samarahhhh-PGO A few things about the camel one...
I just submitted another response that includes two examples of better supporting photos, but it won't show up until Niantic approves it.
Wrong way round, it's the road is the supporting photo
Take q better main picture, it isn't showing the football pitch/stadium. Try to get w shot of the entrance, the pitch or a sign of it
As someone said, try to get the mural, or at least the building its on, into the shot. Dint mention graffiti, and maybe make a photosphere
By that logic, then almost everything everywhere could be a community gathering spot of some type. It's pretty clear what meets criteria and what doesn't. And if you are approving most things, you are probably not always following the criteria. While I agree that some reviewers get carried away and actively look for reasons just to reject things, it is not helpful for some people to start using their own criteria, as it then potentially creates inconsistency in the games as to what is being approved and then appearing in-game.
@Samarahhhh-PGO I just looked at Google Street View. It looks like area inside the fence is accessible from the other end of the oval area. Tell reviewers that.
So many submitters waste their supporting photo with a shot that doesn't even contain the thing they are submitting... that doesn't help reviewers at all. A supporting photo that is taken so that it looks roughly like this would be good because it gives reviewers enough context to match it up with street view to confirm the location.
This angle would be even better because it shows the mural in context AND it shows that the fence is open so it's easy to walk up and touch the mural.
I can take some snapshots.
so, I wanted that whoever rates the stop sees it written ‘stadion comuna berevosti’
stadium in short. The second photo is of the location, I think whoever reviews can get also a satellite map there so he can see it’s a stadium. The 3rd photo is to show the access.
so… why was not this stop accepted?
I’ll soon come up with my second example, of an older stop, but I am just getting used to the forum:)
Try and make it easy for the reviewer….some don’t look around much, so having as much info easy to assess and find is best.
For the stadium having the fence in the way and the tilted angle detract from the photo- you naturally focus on the fence.
The Is it easy to walk in and get a picture ?
can you take a photo by getting the lens up to a gap in the fencing so that you can’t see it?
There seems to be a sign on the stadium wall - if it says that this is a stadium then try if possible to make that clear.
Sometimes I have to walk around a potential Location trying to find the best viewpoint for a photo. It takes time, but if you want to have a successful nomination then it is time well spent. A good photo is your main selling point.
The second key factor is being able to confirm location. Hosette has shown above what a difference it makes and given tips. So one here that more clearly shows the stadium would be better - I can’t really tell from your supplementary photo. If it is clear on satellite view say so. If there are no street views then a photosphere helps as that is what the reviewer will see without effort. The photosphere should be done close to the stadium.
Hope this helps
@Elijustrying-ING is right about the photo in that one. When I look at that photo I see some some unidentifiable building shot at an awkward angle. The building has a sign on it but the sign isn't really legible.
It looks like you're just taking any random photo that has the candidate in it... that's a good way to get things rejected. Try to take a photo that represents the candidate as well as you possibly can-- remember that every player in every game is going to see that image when they visit the wayspot.
I recommend making an artistic decision about how best to represent the stadium. Should it be the sign? If so, take a picture of just the sign. **** it straight-on, centered in the image, legible, and filling most of the frame. Should it be the whole grandstand? If so, get a photo that makes it look like a grandstand. Whatever it is, pretend like you're creating an advertisement for the stadium. Make it look good. Photos have a lot of emotional weight, and a good one will help sell the submission while bad ones will often turn reviewers off.
If you've done your job well reviewers will look at the photo and think, "Oh, that looks like a nice stadium." If you've done an OK job reviewers will think, "Oh, that looks like a stadium." If you've done it poorly reviewers will think, "Huh. What am I looking at?"