Two corporate sporting complex portals erroneously removed
Hi.
I am appealing the removal of two valid portals located on corporate property owned by Salling Group in Aarhus Denmark. The portals in question are part of a sporting complex freely usable by employees and visitors and to the best of my understanding do not meet any of the rejection criteria.
Portal #1
Portal Title:
Multibanerne
Coordinates:
56.160658,10.055828
City / Country
Aarhus / Denmark
Image:
Supporting image:
OG intel link:
https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=56.160658,10.055828&z=17&pll=56.160658,10.055828
Google Maps link:
https://www.google.com/maps/@56.160658,10.055828,441m/data=!3m1!1e3
Portal #2
Portal Title:
Tennisbanerne
Coordinates:
56.16043,10.056181
City / Country
Aarhus / Denmark
Image:
Supporting image:
OG intel link:
https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=56.16043,10.056181&z=17&pll=56.16043,10.056181
Google Maps link:
https://www.google.com/maps/@56.16043,10.056181,441m/data=!3m1!1e3
Comments
I can confirm this. Both teams has owned the portals over time. It has been taken down from outside the fence, as well as from inside (both teams).
Completely legal and relevant.
Appeal Denied - Thanks for the appeal, Agent. The location in question was removed by the property owner, therefore, it cannot be restored at this time.
Can you send the details of the so-called property owner to hostmaster@s…com or hostmaster@s…..dk whichever of the owners domains they used ? That is a privileged account
Then I can locate and talk to the person. And we can discuss the issue internally. You must have a way to handle disagreement in larger companies. Or can the newspaper boy make calls on behalf of a company ?
This portal is NOT public. It is behind a fence in a secured area which is property of a large corporation.
I doubt Niantic will give out that information. If you work at the company, you're probably better off asking around yourself. I would guess start with your security department as they are most likely to have objected to random people showing up on company property.
Or maybe someone has impersonated the property owner and the request is fake.
It wouldn't be the first time that we hear about such abuses.
Of course I am assuming Niantic has a process for verifying the requests are actually from the property owner.
Either way, my advice stands. Niantic will almost certainly not reveal this information. It's better that concerned employees of the company in question investigate on their own within their own company rather than waiting for Niantic to reply.
if you know that this place is legal and the owners agree, return it to the wayfarer.
I suggest you take your time to read the rejection criteria. Public access is not a requirement, only that there is safe pedestrian access for those who do have access.
Public access:
Means that ordinary people can get close enough to the Portal to interact with it, without doing illegal things, like scaling a wall or climbing fence (trespassing).
The portal involved here, Has exactly that kind of access.
But it is accessible, You can walk there without breaking any Danish laws.
Hence the property owner can not, or should not have that possibility.
Don't confuse pedestrian access with public access. The two are very different concepts. The first is the ability for someone to physically walk to the object or location. The latter is about who can do so. And according to the removal criteria, a Wayspot can be removed for lacking pedestrian access, but there is nothing about public access. There is this form from the November 2020 AMA, although it only applies to accepting Wayspot nominations:
How does “publicly accessible” apply to locations that have limited access, like members-only clubs, gated communities, time-restricted areas?
Just like with the definition of private residential property, this guideline hasn’t changed. These locations would still be eligible, including restricted areas on the grounds of a company’s headquarters or behind locked gates so long as there wouldn’t be objections to you entering the area and the location is accessible to some folks. We do not expect all players to have access to all locations but we strongly recommend following real-world rules while attempting to access locations.
The public access debate has been nice to clear up some misconceptions for newcomers, but it's really irrelevant in this case.
The property owner has the right to request removal regardless. For example, there cases of churches and stores requesting stops removed from their property even though they encourage visits by the general public. You need to focus on getting the property owner to contact Niantic and request they restore the wayspot. That's the only possibility.
I do want to add that I'm not suggesting anyone **** the property owner. Just someone earlier implied that they worked there. That person could ask around their company. Any unrelated persons should just accept that's life and move on.
Lol. Niantic's filter. Let's try "no one bother the property owner".