Iron Age Hill Forts / Barrows / Ancient (> 2000 yo) Ruins
RuskinzGo-PGO
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In England (and perhaps many other areas) we have remains of old fortifications, whether roman or iron age or older. These are technically ruins, but some are so old they often look like funny-shaped hills.
If you had a ruined castle ... you would not need a sign or name-plate.
Where do you draw the line for ancient ruins?
Personally I would 3* a hill fort without a sign. (google iron age hill forts ... some cool ones dotted all over UK)
What is the community's / Niantic's view on this
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AScarletSabre-PGO
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Wouldn't they normally be listed on a website such as Historic England or the equivalent in other countries? I don't how something that old would have not been noticed by the relevant authorities, especially in the "developed world". There's a ruined castle in a village near me that is a Wayspot but at time it was submitted (years ago) there didn't appear to be a sign. I think there is a sign now.
I think all our ancient ruins have a story today and are part our shared history. I find it hard to believe their wouldn't be a link to at least one webpage detailing the history of a place or at the very least proving it exists at the location. If somebody has shown me there is a fort there I'd review positively, and a website link would definitely help.
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Gendgi-PGO
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An old Ingress AMA helped addressed this:
Ruins: ACCEPT. Falls under the criteria of tourist spots that showcase local flavor and culture and that make your city/neighborhood unique provided that the site is open and accessible to the public or can be accessed from an open sidewalk or viewing area.
(There is more information on the link provided to explain a little more, but this is the most appropriate out of it.)
Signage definitely helps but is not always necessary. Something that looks like it's just a hill will be difficult to convince reviewers that it is actually historical ruins, but as @AScarletSabre-PGO noted, websites that curate databases of historic ruins help provide support.
Make sure your nomination explains the ruins in the best details you can, and if not visible on Satellite you put a little extra effort into proving the location.
This thread might also help a little to read over.
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Wouldn't they normally be listed on a website such as Historic England or the equivalent in other countries? I don't how something that old would have not been noticed by the relevant authorities, especially in the "developed world". There's a ruined castle in a village near me that is a Wayspot but at time it was submitted (years ago) there didn't appear to be a sign. I think there is a sign now.
I think all our ancient ruins have a story today and are part our shared history. I find it hard to believe their wouldn't be a link to at least one webpage detailing the history of a place or at the very least proving it exists at the location. If somebody has shown me there is a fort there I'd review positively, and a website link would definitely help.
An old Ingress AMA helped addressed this:
Ruins: ACCEPT. Falls under the criteria of tourist spots that showcase local flavor and culture and that make your city/neighborhood unique provided that the site is open and accessible to the public or can be accessed from an open sidewalk or viewing area.
(There is more information on the link provided to explain a little more, but this is the most appropriate out of it.)
Signage definitely helps but is not always necessary. Something that looks like it's just a hill will be difficult to convince reviewers that it is actually historical ruins, but as @AScarletSabre-PGO noted, websites that curate databases of historic ruins help provide support.
Make sure your nomination explains the ruins in the best details you can, and if not visible on Satellite you put a little extra effort into proving the location.
This thread might also help a little to read over.
Thanks interesting; I have a small iron age hillfort near me which has been rejected several times. The photos don't look great as you can't see much, but not only is it clearly visible on Google maps it's also labelled on Google maps, is a Scheduled Ancient Monument and easily checks out on Google.
*that's* interesting!! 🙈
The one I reviewed was flagged on Google maps (though we all know that can be faked) and I could see the outline of the fort ... buuuut I have my eye in for these after reading too much historical fiction ... if you are not aware of them it might just look like a hill. Might be a case of how to promote it correctly.
I’ve submitted a Saxon Barrow that is a scheduled monument and is on the Megalithic website, unfortunately visually it looks like an overgrown hill and despite my best efforts it always gets rejected for “Natural Feature”