With the criteria refresh, how has that change affected how reviewers should consider swimming pools?
Similar to before the criteria refresh, swimming pools at private residences or hotels (or other similar residentially-focused locations) are ineligible. Other than that, pools would be a great place to meet and that encourages exercise and should be considered eligible. This includes public pools, pools or training complexes with historical context, reflecting pools, fountains, aquatic centers and cooldown centers, university pools, sport arenas/complexes and more.
The Trillith Town section (where the pool is) certainly sounds residentially-focused if you read the website: https://www.trilith.com/development
"Handcrafted by experts in town building and real estate development, our town immerses storytellers, makers and entrepreneurs in a backdrop for creativity. From Town Centre featuring carefully curated shops and chef-driven restaurants to purposeful placement of a greenspace within one block of each home, the Town at Trilith truly places a better way of living at the heart of every decision."
The "residentially-focused" exclusion, when things like playgrounds and club houses are acceptable, is speculated to be because they don't have life guards. If this pool is truly open to the general public and has life guards, show that in your supporting info.
Again, it's has been clarified many times, only monitored pool can be eligible. Unmonitored pool in a residentially focused location are not. They are dangerous places for children to play around.
Niantic Wayfarer: November 2020 AMA — Wayfarer Help Center
Hi folks, Thanks so much for your great questions and your patience as we navigated the US Thanksgiving holiday to bring you answers to your
With the criteria refresh, how has that change affected how reviewers should consider swimming pools?
Similar to before the criteria refresh, swimming pools at private residences or hotels (or other similar residentially-focused locations) are ineligible. Other than that, pools would be a great place to meet and that encourages exercise and should be considered eligible. This includes public pools, pools or training complexes with historical context, reflecting pools, fountains, aquatic centers and cooldown centers, university pools, sport arenas/complexes and more.
There's so many other "residentially- focused" pools out there that have had nominations approved.
Back in the older days, there was less clarity on which pools were allowed and which were not allowed. So pools like this may have made it through due to the confusion.
Now we have that clarification though, any residentially focused pools that do get accepted are the result of reviewers not checking the guidelines correctly.
As with everything, don't base your submission solely on what already exists, as there are a lot of things in the database that wouldn't meet the acceptance criteria.
Yes, please post the result of your appeal. We have been round and round on this forum about pools. I am sticking with the November 2020 AMA guideline others posted as long as it is still posted on the help page - unless they make a new statement overturning it. But I am so tired of the opposite problem, rejecting neighborhood pools per guidelines, only to have them be accepted.
"Tricky one there! Publicly accessible amenities inside Apartment complexes could still be eligible as long as they meet all of the acceptance criteria as mentioned in our November AMA. However, swimming pools inside residential properties (including multi-family residential apartments and hotels) are an exception to these criteria and are deemed ineligible."
I do agree with you all, we will see what will come with the appeal. Any clarification/update is good.
I personally wouldn't compare yours with other nominations - as some may have been grandfathered in or, like someone else said, some reviewers may not be aware of the guidelines. Plus times change, best thing is to discuss against the merits of the current guidelines.
Out of interest, could you post your full submission? Always useful to see (for both other submitters and reviewers) and could often lead to community members contributing / helping more.
It's a liability concern for Niantic. That's an apartment complex/housing development pool with no lifeguards, so it's not eligible. I'll tell you that I reviewed it and gave it 1*. I recognize the photo.
Okay, but it's going to keep getting rejected most likely. If there's something borderline you can almost always find a least one (usually more than one) person on this forum posting support and advice on how to get it accepted. That hasn't happened on this post, so I think most reviewers see it as an easy 1*.
Nominating a gazebo or a grill area or something around the pool that's not the pool itself is your best chance.
It doesn't matter what you tell us. Looking at the nomination, and the bits you can see on Streetview and Sat view, it looks like a condo pool area. Niantic say reject these. Claiming "it's a community, not a condo" sounds too much like a) you are copying stuff from the marketing website and b) trying too hard, which reviewers see too much of.
The website for Trilith (which only has one L, not two) gives the official name of this pool as Solea.
Having then Googled the pool with its correct name, I stumbled across the Town at Trilith Facebook page, which seems to be the official page for the area. On that page I found the following post: https://facebook.com/TownatTrilith/photos/a.234737300236810/1445889229121605/?type=3&source=57&refid=52&__tn__=EH-R
The post (for anyone unable or unwilling to click the link and view the page) says
Solea has been calling our name all week! Catch us at our private #pool for residents all #weekend long. #Trilith.
(bold effect added to highlight the important bit). Looks pretty clear to me that this is a residentially focused pool that is deemed to be ineligible by Niantic, which is what we've been trying to tell you all along.
Are you still going to try to argue against how the town describes its own pool?
For all the subject lines in these forums complaining about reviewers, there are an embarrassment of nominators who don’t do their homework and get these kinds of threads all kinds of wrong. Why did it take an out-of-town stranger from the internet to do this research and figure out everything from the nature of this subject to its real name to the correct spelling of the place where it is?
In fairness to OP, they just wrote "Pool declined", not "Pool declined by brain-dead, idiot reviewers". While they have continued to argue against the evidence raised, they haven't made any personal attacks or attacks on reviewer intelligence in this thread.
it doesn't look like it has a lifeguard on duty, and as many others have pointed out, is residentially-focused. i wouldn't accept it. city pools and pools at rec centers are generally okay.
I'm not bitter. I'm just confused by Niantic saying one thing and then doing the opposite, and mildly annoyed that you got my name wrong. Hopefully Niantic will clarify why your residential pool is fine when all the others aren't 🤷♂️
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This looks like it may fall under the category of a pool in a residentially focused location.
With the criteria refresh, how has that change affected how reviewers should consider swimming pools?
Similar to before the criteria refresh, swimming pools at private residences or hotels (or other similar residentially-focused locations) are ineligible. Other than that, pools would be a great place to meet and that encourages exercise and should be considered eligible. This includes public pools, pools or training complexes with historical context, reflecting pools, fountains, aquatic centers and cooldown centers, university pools, sport arenas/complexes and more.
It isn't
It's right next to a park. Which is next to restaurants
Trillith is a community that includes a film studio. There's no 'neighborhood entrance'
The Trillith Town section (where the pool is) certainly sounds residentially-focused if you read the website: https://www.trilith.com/development
"Handcrafted by experts in town building and real estate development, our town immerses storytellers, makers and entrepreneurs in a backdrop for creativity. From Town Centre featuring carefully curated shops and chef-driven restaurants to purposeful placement of a greenspace within one block of each home, the Town at Trilith truly places a better way of living at the heart of every decision."
The "residentially-focused" exclusion, when things like playgrounds and club houses are acceptable, is speculated to be because they don't have life guards. If this pool is truly open to the general public and has life guards, show that in your supporting info.
It's still a viable nomination. People are social and gather there.
There's so many other "residentially- focused" pools out there that have had nominations approved.
It's reachable on the public street that its off
Again, it's has been clarified many times, only monitored pool can be eligible. Unmonitored pool in a residentially focused location are not. They are dangerous places for children to play around.
Niantic Wayfarer: November 2020 AMA — Wayfarer Help Center
Hi folks, Thanks so much for your great questions and your patience as we navigated the US Thanksgiving holiday to bring you answers to your
With the criteria refresh, how has that change affected how reviewers should consider swimming pools?
Similar to before the criteria refresh, swimming pools at private residences or hotels (or other similar residentially-focused locations) are ineligible. Other than that, pools would be a great place to meet and that encourages exercise and should be considered eligible. This includes public pools, pools or training complexes with historical context, reflecting pools, fountains, aquatic centers and cooldown centers, university pools, sport arenas/complexes and more.
There's so many other "residentially- focused" pools out there that have had nominations approved.
Back in the older days, there was less clarity on which pools were allowed and which were not allowed. So pools like this may have made it through due to the confusion.
Now we have that clarification though, any residentially focused pools that do get accepted are the result of reviewers not checking the guidelines correctly.
As with everything, don't base your submission solely on what already exists, as there are a lot of things in the database that wouldn't meet the acceptance criteria.
To be clear, monitored or not has never actually been clarified, just how some people interpret it based on "nuisance" laws.
When appeals are back, we'll see.
It's not "residentially focused"
Yes, please post the result of your appeal. We have been round and round on this forum about pools. I am sticking with the November 2020 AMA guideline others posted as long as it is still posted on the help page - unless they make a new statement overturning it. But I am so tired of the opposite problem, rejecting neighborhood pools per guidelines, only to have them be accepted.
Not to make a statement, just for memory and have all in one post, last response from Niantic was :
"Tricky one there! Publicly accessible amenities inside Apartment complexes could still be eligible as long as they meet all of the acceptance criteria as mentioned in our November AMA. However, swimming pools inside residential properties (including multi-family residential apartments and hotels) are an exception to these criteria and are deemed ineligible."
I do agree with you all, we will see what will come with the appeal. Any clarification/update is good.
I'll try to remember to
But this area isn't an apartment or neighborhood, its a community.
Houses, parks, restaurants, film studio. No gate or neighborhood entry sign
I personally wouldn't compare yours with other nominations - as some may have been grandfathered in or, like someone else said, some reviewers may not be aware of the guidelines. Plus times change, best thing is to discuss against the merits of the current guidelines.
Out of interest, could you post your full submission? Always useful to see (for both other submitters and reviewers) and could often lead to community members contributing / helping more.
Good luck on your appeal.
I've nominated this pool 3 times now and it keeps getting rejected
To the people claiming it's residentially focused, it's not. Sure it's a community, but there's restaurants, parks, film studio, gym all around.
I haven't had an appeal opportunity for it yet
I'm going to continue submitting and appeal when I get the chance
It's a liability concern for Niantic. That's an apartment complex/housing development pool with no lifeguards, so it's not eligible. I'll tell you that I reviewed it and gave it 1*. I recognize the photo.
Okay, but it's going to keep getting rejected most likely. If there's something borderline you can almost always find a least one (usually more than one) person on this forum posting support and advice on how to get it accepted. That hasn't happened on this post, so I think most reviewers see it as an easy 1*.
Nominating a gazebo or a grill area or something around the pool that's not the pool itself is your best chance.
Well it's not an apartment or housing development. I'm telling you
It doesn't matter what you tell us. Looking at the nomination, and the bits you can see on Streetview and Sat view, it looks like a condo pool area. Niantic say reject these. Claiming "it's a community, not a condo" sounds too much like a) you are copying stuff from the marketing website and b) trying too hard, which reviewers see too much of.
The website for Trilith (which only has one L, not two) gives the official name of this pool as Solea.
Having then Googled the pool with its correct name, I stumbled across the Town at Trilith Facebook page, which seems to be the official page for the area. On that page I found the following post: https://facebook.com/TownatTrilith/photos/a.234737300236810/1445889229121605/?type=3&source=57&refid=52&__tn__=EH-R
The post (for anyone unable or unwilling to click the link and view the page) says
Solea has been calling our name all week! Catch us at our private #pool for residents all #weekend long. #Trilith.
(bold effect added to highlight the important bit). Looks pretty clear to me that this is a residentially focused pool that is deemed to be ineligible by Niantic, which is what we've been trying to tell you all along.
Are you still going to try to argue against how the town describes its own pool?
For all the subject lines in these forums complaining about reviewers, there are an embarrassment of nominators who don’t do their homework and get these kinds of threads all kinds of wrong. Why did it take an out-of-town stranger from the internet to do this research and figure out everything from the nature of this subject to its real name to the correct spelling of the place where it is?
In fairness to OP, they just wrote "Pool declined", not "Pool declined by brain-dead, idiot reviewers". While they have continued to argue against the evidence raised, they haven't made any personal attacks or attacks on reviewer intelligence in this thread.
it doesn't look like it has a lifeguard on duty, and as many others have pointed out, is residentially-focused. i wouldn't accept it. city pools and pools at rec centers are generally okay.
So to all you naysayers my appeal went through and this pool was accepted
I was telling you all, it's acceptable
@Himillsy-PGO @X0bai-PGO @Hank7561-PGO @sogNinjaman-ING @JillJilyJabadoo-PGO @Fiadnaita-PGO @Isitmoi-PGO @Vladamort-PGO @GearGlider-ING
My appeal was accepted. And the majority of you who I tagged were incorrect
Not only did you not put the correct name for the pool, but you can't even put correct usernames in your tags either 🤦♂️
lmao, oh man,,
Wow okay. You're just bitter that you're wrong
I'm not bitter. I'm just confused by Niantic saying one thing and then doing the opposite, and mildly annoyed that you got my name wrong. Hopefully Niantic will clarify why your residential pool is fine when all the others aren't 🤷♂️
And I didn't notice that it got some other Hank when a list of @s popped up