Invalid Portal : Thouarcé - Boulodrome
leFadaDavid-ING
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Title of the Wayspot: Thouarcé - Boulodrome
Location: 47.266946,-0.510344
City: Thouarcé
Country: France
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Additional information: The description of the portal indicates that the boulodrome is located in a public housing estate accessible to everyone. This description is false because the portal is located inside a POLICE station. This interferes with the emergency services, wayfarer rule that should have prohibited the display of this portal. All the photos and even Google street view show with evidence the ground of a police station and the impossibility of entering it contrary to what is indicated in the description of the portal
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Hello
Does a play space in the middle of houses bother emergency services? Then, how ?
So, a scupture in the middle of an army camp bother the emergency services too?
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But the description say it is locate with public access which is not.
"Some people not respect it, that's why appeals exist. This description is false so it's violates the rules, like any other…"
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Hello,
Is "no public access" in deletion criteria ?
Can you provide the part of rules about this "criteria" please ?
Thx you
Stop being agressive.
The description is not fully right. Just need to modify it.
But, ,with, or without the description, the portal is legit.
In case of you don't remember, I'll just say 6.
au final repondez à cette simple question : Un terrain de petanque dans une enceinte de gendarmerie est il legitime ? et peut on, y creer un evenement à plusieurs personne sans nuir a l'intervention du peloton de gendarmerie ici présent ? Personnellement je dit non, et vous ?
Hello,
I'm not afraid of bullying from aggressives players.
I just ask how this wayspot can block and bother emergency service, as a play ground in a housing area ?
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wayfarer rules : "Your location must not interfere with police, firefighters or hospitals;" So if we come to 20 in front of the portal to try to play, can we interfere, yes and don't be in bad faith it will change
Je te pause la même question pour un portail lui situé en pleine enceinte militaire et complètement inaccessible de l'extérieur ....
salut ca va ? jai deja repondu : Malheureusement il fait parti des rares portails "Légitimé" par NIA avant wayfarer, m'avez vous deja vu link dessus? Non, demandez vous pourquoi. Mais je soutien votre avis, mais cest le jeu, lui ici présent n'en fait pas parti, point. Merci bonne soirée
Did police car or emergency car use this area ?
I just see a playing ground in a closed housing area, with multi letterbox at the entrance.
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You can simply use the parking above and not stay in the middle of the road, as everywere.
T0mt0m49 reported here and Niantic deemed the portal legit. you have a short memory or you simply have no arguments. I think I have my answer….
There is talk of a portal which is indicated as accessible in a public housing estate but it is FALSE. he is in a police station. are you honest enough to admit it or it's too much complicated for you?
Niantic just say they will not delete wayspot inside military base AND military base are not valid for newer submission. They never say that was legit (or find the quote where someone of Nia board said that). Anyway, it's off topic.
Did houses looks like a police station ? Have you a proof this houses are used as a police station ? Looks just some people don't have access to this private area and then ask for deletion.
@leFadaDavid-ING I don't know if your appeal will be accepted or rejected, but if the description is false you can also suggest a more accurate one : from "situé dans un lotissement accessible au public" to something like "situé dans le lotissement de la gendarmerie, inaccessible au public".
Also the title can be improved as "Boulodrome de la gendarmerie de Thouarcé" for example.
It's an interesting case, I will keep an eye on it for further details and decisions from Niantic.
Translation of the description : "Created in 2009 by the township of Thouarcé, this bowling alley is located in a housing estate accessible to the public."
"House estate accessible to the public" instead of "constables' barracks" in reality.
In France, in small and medium cities, constables live on their place of work, like many military people. So, it's normal to see houses, or small buildings, inside the protected police station area, behind the grid circuit.
Bowling alleys are not a standard endowment for police forces.
Since 2012, French police forces, civilian as military, have to keep as low as possible their geolocation and their habits, to avoid misfit and terrorist attacks against them.
More than a bad description, this portal is located inside a police station, where the access is restricted for usual citizen, you must to have a good reason to disturb police to enter inside, and playing Niantic games are not a correct reason according police forces. Portals around the city are deployed by the same players who also deployed the portal in appeal, mostly during patrols in their official printed cars. So, it's very easy to identify those players as constables, witch is what the French government wants to avoid.
you’re completely right but you know just like me that if a title read such a description was put, the portal would never have been accepted and it would also make it easier to have it deleted 😉
It's crazy to say " who also deployed the portal in appeal, mostly during patrols in their official printed cars " when you don't play in this area and you don't know the player.
Stop talking about players and maybe start about portals ?
@NianticGiffard can you close the topic to have the time to have a look on this report please ? It smells weird, people are attacking other people...
who is attacking who? no one was forcing you to come and talk here to say nothing. Stop complaining, however, I have been playing in this area for years and I can certify proof that they play with police cars, but after that it is not the subject.
If you don't have enough arguments, please not constantly use personal attacks to mess up and not respond about facts.
Please, can you answer my question and stop attack me?
How does this gate bother police cars, since it is located in a residential area?
To make an analogy, a wayspot can be located on a hospital land, as long as it does not interfere with emergency vehicles.
Ie, a sign in front of the entrance of the hospital, in the same place where ambulances arrive, is not legitimate and meets the criteria for deletion. On the other hand, a children's playground or an arboretum does not disturb the circulation of emergency vehicles and has no reason to be removed or refused for submission.
Regards
je suis sur que si le portail etait d'une autre couleur les arguments serait inversé, si vous en etes rendi a ça et a defendre en voulant "Interrogé", c'est pathétique. Valideriez vous ce portail si vous l'aviez dans le carrousel des soumissions ?
Pour répondre a votre question si je souhaite le jouer je me met devant l'entrer, l'entrer etant commune a la sortie oui je vais gêner, alors imaginé une mini anomalie avec 50 joueurs, 😂 La gendarmerie va vous rire au nez que cest accessible et ne gêne pas, de plus qui dit gendarmerie dit militaire, donc de ce fait terrain Militaire, rajoutez a ça les Boites au lettre donc nom des Gendarmes, au vue du contexte attentat que nous subissons, vous etes gonflés de vouloir défendre corps et ames. et remettre en cause la sécurité de ces personnes a cause d'un pauvre terrain de petanque.
Salutations Distingués
As i say, this is not IN police station or even FRONT so i don't see how this wayspot can cause annoyance to policeman. This is same case for a playground in hospital area. Did people put a playground here if it's dangerous for child or people ?
As i explain too, you can park your car just near the wayspot and of course don't stand front of a parking door, like everywhere in France, because is forbiden event for a short stop. Or in this case, any wayspot near parking door, road, or place where car can stop and block others need to be deleted.
I've zero interest for defending this wayspot, just follow deletion rules and try to fix misunderstanding of them. Maybe i'm wrong, and in this case, your appeal is accepted, good for you and more than that, for the community. If i'm right, no deletion, and we all need to fix misundertanding about submission, acceptance and deletion criteria. Submission criteria are more strict than deletion criteria, it's sad but you know how to fix it : Spend more time for review and inform local crew about rules
Regard
that it is in front, behind, in bottom, in top who cares! it is on the same ground as the gendarmerie, it's however simple to understand. With a description that suggests that everyone can access it, but this is not true.
It's care. Read the deletion rule again :
The Portal obstructs or interferes with Emergency Services’ ability to perform normal operations. This includes, but isn’t limited to, fire stations, police stations, hospitals, military bases, industrial sites, power plants and air traffic control towers.
There is many case where someone try to report a wayspot inside a military base, hospital, industrial sites, etc and the wayspot was not deleted. Why ? Because is not Obstruct or Interferes with emergency services.
In this case, a wayspot front or in or front of the main door of a police station, hospital, military building, etc (not houses !) will be removed if you appeal. But if not, how you can say it's ok about a playground in hospital area or an art sculpture in the middle of a military base ? Same case, so same rule application.
It's a playground area, so this think for being used by people inside and not bother emergency services. If you are police man, son of a police man, brother, sister, mother, father, wife, husband, friend, you have access to this place for see your family member or friend. So is not restricted as a military base, it's only houses with fence around.
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maybe it's easier for you to start over.
On the cadastral map, what type of land is the parcel (0030)? I'm talking about the parcel as a whole, don't try to play with words.
I'm helping you, I'm being kind, it's a military land because yes the gendarmerie is the army.
With some exceptions, before the new Niantic rules, it is FORBIDDEN. Not to mention they cheated on the description to get it accepted.
ok parfait, donc vous voyez aucun inconvenient a ce que des personnel CIVIL et non militaire ce balade pret d'une statue ou boulodrome dans une caserne, statue ou boulodrome qui n'interfère pas avec les service d'urgence e et autres ?
So why here is not in exception but art sculpture in military base is exception ? Just for understand your POV
I never say it's was not in the same parcel, no need to cadastral map to see it, google street view and sat from your first post was engought. But the rule don't speak about parcel, or area, but about obstruction or interferance with services. This is why so wayspot are not deleted from hospital, military base of industrial area bc they don"t obstruct or interfers with services. And i think this playground was thinked and builded to not interfer with it too.
Then, i'm aggree with you, this is not allowed to submit and this is not in acceptance criteras, as many wayspot, some slip through the cracks. But we don't need to speak about acceptance criteria and submission, this is not the place of an appeal about deletion who need to follow deletion criteria.
Niantic don't follow every country legislation in the world, bc this is the role of each player to respect the local law. Nia is not guilty if someone trepass private propriety even if there is a reportable wayspot inside, drive and play, etc.
My POV or our POV about this kind of wayspot, who cares ? The most important is rules, and same rules for everyone.
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"it's only houses with fence around"
Can someone buy a house in the area behind the grid circuit ? Nobody, they belong to French State.
Who are living in those houses actually ? Constables and their family (wife/husband and children).
They are pretty special your "only houses with fence around". "Comfortable and modern barracks" would be a better description.
voyez vous le panneau militaire avec les bandes dans le coin gauche bleu blanc rouge pour dire : "Terrain militaire defense d'enter"? ce n'est pas qu'une résidence lambda
and it is known, one finds a mast with a French flag in all the civil residences of France ...
I never say this wayspot are not in the same parcel, this is obvious when you check sat map and steetview. But the rules don't speak about area but about interferences and obstructions. This is cristal clear.
A playground in an Hospital, an art statue in military base or industrial area do not meet deletion criteria, bc not interfer or obstruct emergency services. A poi inside the hospital building, military base, factory, front of the door or emergency services access meet deletion criteria and would be deleted.
I'm aggree, this kind of wayspot shoud not be submited and accepted by reviewer. But as you know since you start playing Niantic game, some wayspot slip through the cracks. But this is not a valid reason to delete a wayspot, bc deletion criteria are more restrictive than rejection criteria.
It's not about our felling or POV, it's about rules. Same application for same case, looks normal, no ?
Did you can buy Mayor building ? No but this is open to public, and some part only to employee and a good wayspot. Don't understand your POV @PetitGreg-ING
@FroggyDuck-ING So many place are not public but can meet acceptance criteria. Ie a chimical factory are not allowed to public but and nice art inside can meet criteria if this wayspot will not interfer and obstruct emergency services. Ie in a employee lunch garden
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