Bars and Pubs
Dice3423-ING
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Hello hello. Love the new site so far. Brings a comfort that it is easy to use similar to the ingress site. What's up with bars and pubs? I feel like reviewers are purposely rejection valid submissions on purpose. They are in the guideline to accept and it is written the exact same way in different areas clarifying and showing them as accept them. Yet they are the most common rejection? I can't enjoy a beer while playing a video game in peace?
First point in help that they are allowed.
Nominations that are images of adult-oriented stores or services
Including liquor stores, adult entertainment, **** ranges, firearm stores, etc. Establishments that serve alcoholic beverages like bars and pubs are acceptable.
"Establishments that serve alcoholic beverages like bars and pubs are acceptable."
That is clear to me they are acceptable, please stop rejecting these. As well as other indoor submissions for the bars like billard tables, bowling games, minigolf, pacman, or art. These places are what made history for decades in your communities as a place to go and enjoy being an adult. They should be given more appreciation locally with accepting things for them. They are more wanted by the community than being yelled at a church. Especially since coronavirus is going on.
Second area that has been updated recently in the January 2020 update.
Pubs and Restaurants that serve alcohol (including mall food courts)
- Acceptable: Eateries that have been featured prominently in travel guides, those with historical or cultural significance, or establishments that are popular tourist destinations. Establishments that serve alcoholic beverages like bars and pubs are acceptable.
- Not acceptable: Generic businesses with no distinguishing feature or significance or those that offer adult services (e.g. liquor stores, adult entertainment, **** ranges, firearm stores that also offer food or snacks).
"Pubs and Restaurants" Are 2 different topics.
"Establishments that serve alcoholic beverages like bars and pubs are acceptable."
Written exactly the same.
My opinions is Local Hot Spots do not need to be world renowned. They are local hot spots because they are fun for the community to play and enjoy the game. It is also nice having an adult conversation about a video game with friends. I don't understand why people assume everything is for kids, yet the average age for current players is adults. Schools grounds aren't allowed. They are a rejection. Day cares are a rejecting. Bars are allowed. It's very simple to me.
Need a valid reason to accept? People are always welcome at bars. Churches you are more than likely going to get the evil eye or a phone call to the police. I bet more people got yelled at being at a church than they any would being at a bar the last few days. Coronavirus the church will raise the eye in fear before a bar would turn away potential customers.
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I think, for the same reason as why any quote-unquote generic business may be rejected, is that something in the description may need to be more specific to better identify the pub/bar as hyper local, or if there is something unique that fits other criteria (i.e. a work of art) located within the bar/pub that must be judged on its own merit and not on the business it's located within, then there would probably be more acceptances.
It may say something about the British mindset, but pubs usually pass easily in the UK. Reviewers recognize them as important social gathering places - or at least they were until just over a week ago :-(
You're twisting the criteria around again.
Pubs and bars are acceptable IF they actually meet criteria and can be proven to exist.
If I submit a pub that's been closed down for three years and isn't opening up again for a long time, I fully expect it to be rejected.
At the same time, I will 1* pubs/bars that have terrible descriptions like "local pub" or "popular watering hole". Those kind of descriptions don't tell me what criteria they meet.
"Need a valid reason to accept? People are always welcome at bars. Churches you are more than likely going to get the evil eye or a phone call to the police. I bet more people got yelled at being at a church than they any would being at a bar the last few days. Coronavirus the church will raise the eye in fear before a bar would turn away potential customers."
Also, this last paragraph of yours is incredibly judgemental and can be taken as downright offensive. Just because SOME religious people are like that doesn't mean they all are. People in bars/pubs can be just as bad. Also, being "accepted" at a bar isn't really meeting criteria.
Yeah, that last paragraph is awful. It's either some reddit r/Atheism levels of rudeness or OP is playing Niantic games at churches that clearly don't want the AR-game traffic when they're busy.
Need a valid reason to accept? People are always welcome at bars. Churches you are more than likely going to get the evil eye or a phone call to the police. I bet more people got yelled at being at a church than they any would being at a bar the last few days. Coronavirus the church will raise the eye in fear before a bar would turn away potential customers.
Even brought up the freakin coronavirus. Yeah, I bet churches don't want strangers that don't need their help just hanging around them when there's a deadly pandemic going on. And I've yet to see a pub whose doors are open. What kind of insane troll logic is this?
I think in the UK, all places of worship are shut to the public and for any sort of gathering at present anyway, so it would be understandable that priests/vicars/etc probably don't want people hanging around outside them. On the other hand, when I've been into little villages to submit churches there or capture the ones that exist as portals on Ingress, the church folk have been friendly enough with me. I've never once been told to go away or anything of the sort, and have usually learnt something about the history of the church from them.
The coronavirus part definitely didn't need a mention from OP but I suspect they're using that to justify their vitriol against religious people. I personally can't see any pubs/bars here in the UK risking their necks at present by staying open. I know a few are doing home deliveries for their locals but I'd imagine they're taking all the precautions and minimising contact where possible with people because no one wants to risk getting seriously ill for the sake of a couple of quid
I shared this as a teaching response to local players. Because they assume bars and pubs are not allowed because they feel children play more than adults. When actually we are supposed to approve adult things and not children things.
So, if we're supposed to approve adult things, and not children things, how come clubs that provide entertainment from people in various states of undress aren't allowed? Surely those are adult things that should be allowed by your logic.
A bar and pub are allowed community socializing and gatherings.
An adult entertainment establishment is specifically a rejection.
But didn't you just say that we should approve adult things, and not children's things?
I'm getting so many mixed messages from you here.
We are allowed to approve adult things Niantic deemed acceptable. They said to accept bars and pubs. They said to reject adult entertainment locations like **** clubs. How are you mixed? You are just purposely being stubborn.
I'm not being stubborn. You clearly said and I quote: "When actually we are supposed to approve adult things and not children things." but now you're saying that adult entertainment can't be approved, even though it's an adult thing.
So, as you can see, that leaves me some what confused because clearly I'm not very wise and stuff.
I'm not being stubborn. You said we should allow adult things and then said we shouldn't allow adult things, so which is it? Because you can't seem to make up your mind and I'm clearly not wise or knowledgeable in these matters.
Very clear....
Gabriel0322-PGO Posts: 449 ✭✭✭ 12:23PM
NicoSolheim-INGMar 30, 2020
https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/comment/3125#Comment_3125
So, if we're supposed to approve adult things, and not children things, how come clubs that provide entertainment from people in various states of undress aren't allowed? Surely those are adult things that should be allowed by your logic.
A bar and pub are allowed community socializing and gatherings.
An adult entertainment establishment is specifically a rejection.
Did this answer the question? Yes · No
Clearly suggests adult entertainment establishments like **** clubs would be rejection. It is clearly written in Wayfarer Help and January 2020 Update.
Thank you. That's all I wanted to know. If you had been more clear in the beginning, we wouldn't have had to have so much back and forth.
Disagree. It was always written as such to reject adult **** clubs. It is clearly written to accept bars and pubs.
Only if they meet criteria though.
But your first comment said we should accept adult things, without you saying which adult things we should be accepting, which is why I posed my questions to you.
As I said before, if you had been more clear, such as "accept adult things such as X, Y, and Z, but don't accept adult things such A, B, and C" then we wouldn't have had this back and forth.
So, surely, now that we both know what you originally meant to say, this discussion is over, no?
They meet criteria because they are a social gathering spot for bars and pubs. That is criteria to accept and Niantic has already defined it.
I'm not being stubborn. You clearly said and I quote: "When actually we are supposed to approve adult things and not children things." but now you're saying that adult entertainment can't be approved, even though it's an adult thing.
So, as you can see, that leaves me some what confused because clearly I'm not very wise and stuff.
Only if they meet criteria though.
But your first comment said we should accept adult things, without you saying which adult things we should be accepting, which is why I posed my questions to you.
As I said before, if you had been more clear, such as "accept adult things such as X, Y, and Z, but don't accept adult things such A, B, and C" then we wouldn't have had this back and forth.
So, surely, now that we both know what you originally meant to say, this discussion is over, no?
Restaurants meet the exact same criteria, but they are not categorically accepted.
Restaurants need to be in a tour guide. TripAdvisor is easy to do reviews to get them eligible. You may be surprised what is eligible.
Bars however have the same exact phrase in 2 different sections saying they are acceptable. Acceptable is accepted.
@NianticCasey-ING can you guys have this merged with this thread?
https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/306/bars-and-pubs#latest
Actually this thread should remain open as it doesn't have nearly the content that violates community guidelines on not treating players with respect. That other thread was closed today.
Stop bringing up the same topics, they are closed for a reason.
Niantic did not step into the previous thread. At this point it would probably be more helpful to ask this using the form here https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeKpTV462RIvfZYGCrUAA_aTBMcSM9gWEzBWfCmnEkp7m9vnA/viewform
Places like local bars that promote Social gatherings are eligible.
Here is a similar response to this situation from Casey. Community gathering is a criteria. Social gathering place is the same situation. Hyper Local spots are Bars and Pubs and meet criteria for being an establishment that serves alcohol that is also a social gathering place.
NianticCasey-ING Posts: 57 admin March 25 Accepted Answer
Hey folks, I'm in agreement with @AdamSkot-PGO@adetia9-PGO here. Freestanding, outdoor community notice boards seem to me to fall within the 'community gathering' criteria, but a noticeboard within a supermarket doesn't seem to be as notable a location for gathering or distinguishable from the rest of the market.
I do see what @grendelwulf-ING is saying in that POIs should be unique and interesting, but agree with @Theisman-ING that not everything is interesting to everyone. We shouldn't be reviewing as if we were writing a vacation guide 😉
I think there is some key wording in your post @Gabriel0322-PGO,
“Places like local bars that promote Social gatherings are eligible“
to me that Doesn’t mean automatically accept every bat it sounds like it means “probably good in most cases” and the cases it’s not is when it’s a generic business