This Plea for Upgrade Compensation Has Been Brought To You By Four Denied Upgrades In A Week
TopHatDorito-PGO
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Alright, I'm opening up the floodgates to be scrutinized for nominations, and I am open to discussion on the eligibility of these, but that's not what I want this discussion to be about.
Tackling back against poor reviewers and general frustrations about upgrading would be easily solvable if Wayfarer would just give compensation for denials on upgrades, compensation for utilizing the service and committing to reviewing enough submissions to receive 100 agreements. Even just some reimbursement for a failed upgrade, like 25% back on your gauge for your next upgrade would be great.
Cause over the last week, at least 400 agreements throughout 10 hours of reviewing has wielded me with 4 upgrades that got sent down the drain. I'll keep arguing they're eligible, you might not, that's not the point. As a majorly volunteer service, simply getting a location approved and enjoyable in Niantic games isn't enough, as even if you receive an approval, you enjoy the same amenities just like someone who didn't put any effort into the location, so rewards for an approval are already quite minimal, so to commit to hours of work for an upgrade and a denial of nomination rendering you with nothing for your, again, volunteer work is incredibly strenuous and demotivating to continue reviewing.
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Interesting idea, I don't mind getting 25% back (but not the full upgrade), or maybe cool ingress media item with wayfarer criteria infographics, or what would be pogo equivalent? something like trubbish sticker. Better than nothing, show some support to people who volunteer their time!
Thats why i doesnt ise upgrades anymore (Thx to the new option to deactivate it). everything whats become an upgrade will be not accepted. again when i submitt the exact same waystop without upgrade, will be accepted. very frustrating.
In case anyone was curious or doubted the validity of what I was citing for 'wasted upgrades', here's an attached file with a breakdown of what the nominations were and how they got denied. I don't want the discussion to surround this, this is only to prove the upgrades weren't centered on universally conceded ineligible nominations.
Oh my get ready for the onslaught
I think Niantic sees that our "compensation" is that we get the rejection back quicker. If they're aware that we are invested and impatient, they'd say our compensation is that we're not in suspense as long. (But I'm not sure they understand that we get emotionally invested.)
Why not change the upgrade earned from 100 agreements to 50 or 25? Maybe 100 for your very first upgrade, but progressively fewer for each subsequent?
I think reviewing is generally fun, but it is not fun that non-upgraded nominations take over a year to process. It's very dis-incentivizing to have to earn 100 agreements per nomination (or it waits a year).
Apart from the enjoyment of finding, finding out about and then having your submission show in whichever game you play some more incentives would be nice.
Would it be possible to have different levels of wayfarer rankings that apply to rewards inserted of reimbursement on your upgrade?
Bronze Wayfarer - 2,500 reviews, 10 accepted submissions, 1,500 agreements
Silver - 5,000 reviews, 25 accepted submissions, 3,000 agreements
Gold - 10,000 reviews, 50 accepted, 7,500 agreements
Platinum - 20,000 reviews, 100 accepted, 15,000 agreements
The "accepted nominations" medal was discontinued for a reason.
What was the reasoning?
... And what did you gain from having the medal?
I think The 26thDr is talking about a medal in wayfarer only, not in game. Maybe the medal would show on posts in this community, or maybe only you would see yours.
The in-game medal only encouraged spam nominations. Its levels were 10, 50, 500, 5000 accepted nominations. People wanted 5000 for the badge and bragging rights. (This was when only Niantic was reviewing. Mayhem ensued.)
Thank you. Apologies, I meant a Wayfarer rating "badge" that would combine more than only number of agreements or reviews etc and offer some sort of incentive for people to keep taking part and new wayfarers to join in.
Look, reviewing can be an absolute slog, especially when the nominations are an onslaught of LFL on PRP, the same trail marker ten times in a row in ten different spots, somebody’s cat, and open lawns that are supposed to be “athletic field #3 of 7”. Someone posted a poll recently about Wayfarer participation and noted the idea that reviewing is a form of exploration, and I really wish it were so, but the nominations that come across my screen are mostly an exercise in frustration.
And yeah, rejection reasons usually make no sense. That’s not because the rejections are wrong, it’s because Niantic does an abysmal job of communicating. Their own inadequate communications have impacted Wayfarer, in which they provide inadequate communication tools. It is inarguably frustrating, and very non-intuitive.
That said, these are the dues we have all paid. If we can do it, so can you.
The trail maps you should consider taking into the nomination improvement forum for an external set of eyes. The footbridge I’d put in the past. Memorial benches you should forget entirely, forever.
An upgrade is so that your nomination can get a faster result. It never meant that you would get a specific result. Asking for a refund because you didn't get the specific result you wanted is ridiculous.
Can't remember the official note, if it was provided. Pretty much do not encourage spam. But also it could go toxic, players rejecting and sniping nominations, or accusing other players of sniping. The medal had no benefit, only bragging rights.
It was one of the major factors that caused nominations to be disabled back in 2015-16. Players were just spamming nominations of rocks, potholes, and anything else hoping to get it approved.
Once you reached Lvl 8, you needed medals of a certain "quality" in order to advance to the next level. For more information on the Seer medal, you can check the Ingress Wiki at https://ingress.fandom.com/wiki/Seer.
Thank you. Good to know for the next time I see someone say how much Pogo players have ruined Wayfarer ;)
PokemonGo players would have done the same thing.
I'm not going to deny that abuse happens in Ingress, but Niantic has typically been quick to address said abuses, and Ingress players don't incessantly whine about how they have a right to abuse like Pokemon Go players do.
There's literally ingress players openly discussing how best to manipulate the game board to deny the enemy team a portal lower down in this sub-forum. Niantic's gotten a lot sloppier with addressing abuse (and most other wayfarer things tbh)
These submissions (from what little I can tell since you didn't post the full submission) were sketchy at best and you should in no way be surprised or disappointed at the rejections.
The map does look a bit temporary, but I'd still have accepted it. The bench is a hard sell, they always are. The footbridge, maybe its bad time to take it, but it doesn't look much like the kind of bridge I'd expect to see on a trail, it looks more like a thrown together bridge
Apparently you've missed all the posts from people trying to delete portals they can't access.
And, if anyone was wondering, here are the upgrades I had with breakdowns of nominations to emphasize the work I feel went wasted, and to prove that the work didn't go into something unanimously ineligible.
The first two I can't comment on because I'd need to see more details and I can only see the thumbnails here.
The memorial bench doesn't seem to meet any criteria although your description/supporting info might change that for me, and the footbridge just looks like a piece of wood tossed over a small creek.
So you got your mediocre to bad nominations rejected faster. Lesson learned