Fallout Shelter Sign (Rejected- twice)
MysticCapybara-PGO
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Any thoughts on how to get this through? I’m at a loss it’s super cool but I don’t know if I’m willing to try a third time.
MysticCapybara-PGO
Posts: 25 ✭✭
Any thoughts on how to get this through? I’m at a loss it’s super cool but I don’t know if I’m willing to try a third time.
Comments
It simply isn't eligible.
Your comment is a waste of time. I totally agree that this should be a Pokestop. It can't get more historical and the importance of this is evident. There are so many people approving/disapproving pokestop nominations who don't know what they are doing.
Just upload it again and again until it's accepted. Great discovery.
Personally, I would like the supporting info to include an explanation of the sign and its importance- your description hits the key points but I don't recognize the symbol and it's very likely many others don't (I've never seen one before and had to google it). I also hate to say it, but it's possible people are putting "fake nomination" because they think it's a reference to the video game series instead.
I do think it's rather interesting, but for almost all signage, extra work is kind of needed to prove its importance or significance beyond a doubt. For all I know, this could be the sign for a bar named "Fallout Shelter" (I know it's not, just exaggerated the example on purpose).
Just because something is old does not necessarily make it historic, and even if something is historic, it still needs to meet at least one of the eligibility criteria. It's clearly not a great place to exercise or be social, so if the submitter is attempting to submit it under the exploration category, they need to do a good job of convincing reviewers how it encourages exploration.
Additionally, it would be a wayspot if it was accepted. It wouldn't appear in Pokémon Go as it's in the same level 17 S2 cell as the Remnants of the Old Italian Embassy. It might not appear in Ingress either, as it looks to be right on the edge of the 20 metre radius for the Italian Embassy.
To you point about it getting in either game that’s definitely something I’m considering before going through the effort of reviewing enough for another upgrade.
@spiesr-ING
why do you think it’s ineligible?
It's a generic mass produced sign. Simply being old does not make it historic. What eligibility criteria do you think it meets?
A "historic plaque" is a display that has information about history. That is not what this is.
@spiesr-ING These were never “mass produced” they were placed on specific registered sites as part of the fallout shelter program. It’s historic because it is part of history (the Cold War era) and still exist today. No where in the criteria does it say “display that has information about history”that would be an educational sign.
It's infrastructure. A directional sign. It was mass produced in a factory / plant, not a unique hand-drawn. No one goes there to see the sign.
@MargariteDVille-ING these are not made anymore it’s not a stopsign, I t’s a part of the history of the US. It doesn’t give directions plus trail markers are acceptable (which is dumb IMHO), I don’t get your point.
Yeah, I love this. I think its eligibility is immediately apparent. It clearly has historic value and I have only ever seen one other like it, so whether or not it was mass-produced sixty years ago, it’s a rarity today. It’s right on a public sidewalk, so in a perfectly acceptable location. I’d 5* this in a blink.
I guess it just depends where you live and when you were born if you've seen a lot around or not. You probably need to end up with the right mix of reviewers, maybe on the younger side so they don't remember seeing them every day. Even if there aren't many left, they seem pretty boring if you've seen them before on a regular basis. It's like how some people nominate phone booths since there aren't may left, but for others they are mass produced and generic.
If you can find more information about them, a link to a website talking about "there are only x left in DC" or something like that that might help. Or some kind of group that's trying to preserve them or something. Anything to convince people they are an actual historical curiosity to a wider group of people.
your supporting info isn't great. you need to actually inform reviewers why this is relevent and worthy of being a point of interest. explain how it meets criteria.
Yeah I hear you both, but people aren’t even getting to the supporting info. I guess if I submit it again I’ll include more there but I don’t think it will ever get read.
"Yeah I hear you both, but people aren’t even getting to the supporting info."
lol, yeah...... sadly that seems to be true about a lot of reviewers :/
Definitely. It's hard with something like this where people just see the picture first and select reject without having to scroll down to see the rest. There are some of us who will check supporting info no matter how ineligible it looks from the picture, though, so getting one or two of those votes switched to yes can't hurt.
I also got a fallout shelter sign rejected. I don't understand why it was rejected - rejection comments were "private residence or farm"
It's a sign on an apartment building! If apartment buildings were not allowed, then we'd have many lost Pokestops. Description was:
"The program that led to these buildings being designated and marked as fallout shelters was launched during the Cold War. Today, it is rare to see this sign and is seen more as a curiosity. As we know now, it is false to assume that hiding in a basement will protect you from nuclear fallout."
What do you think? I'd love to hear from the community. Thanks.
I think the summary of this thread was split. Someone from a place where they're common (or who was alive during the Cold War when they were common), will reject as a generic sign. However, a lot of commentators from outside of the those areas thought it was awesome. This may be one of the few times an upgrade would help. With an upgrade, you might get it in front of reviewers from other parts of the country who don't see them every day (or don't remember a time when they did).
Maybe try nominating on a Monday with an upgrade and hope Boomers/Gen X/older Millennials are too busy at work to be doing reviews so you get mostly younger reviewers who don't remember them well? :-)
@JudgeJudy101-PGO I think the sign was kitchky a few months ago. It could prompt people to talk about what life was like during the Cold War, when people thought a bomb might go off - knowing now, that a bomb didn't go off. I think it's an entirely different thing today. I think current events will make it harder to get this thru as a lighthearted historical place for gaming.
I also think you have a false statement, that going into the basement won't help you if there's nuclear fallout. If a nuclear bomb goes off anywhere in the world, the plume / ash / radiation WILL circle the earth. Three times, if I remember the science correctly. In 1986, after the Chernobal incident, some places DID tell pregnant women to stay inside, thousands of miles away. Let scientists address what to do. People are too easily persuaded not to believe in science.
I’m having a hard time with this one, I read everyone else’s comments and started off thinking kinda boring or not interesting. I feel like the “great” part of a great place to explore, a great place to socialize, or a great place to exercise needs to be explained more on this one. Saying it is awesome would not sell me as a reviewer. But now that I’ve read this I am leaning more towards approving but I’m still not sold on 5 stars. I don’t fully understand foot bridges, trail markers with just a distance, or even picnic areas as poi but if that’s the consensus, I don’t feel strongly enough to go against them.