Why does this keep getting declined?

I have submitted this nomination several times but it keeps getting declined with the reason “doesn’t exist.” It does exist, and I’ve justified this in the commentary. What can I do to push this through?


Related question: I’ve appealed this once, but it’s been in appeal for 5 months. How long do appeals generally take?!

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  • Jimbobwai-INGJimbobwai-ING Posts: 58 ✭✭✭

    These signs just tell pedestrians they are permitted to access. Could be access to anything, not necessarily a trail. The onus is on the submitter to explain the trail.

  • HankWolfman-PGOHankWolfman-PGO Posts: 4,903 ✭✭✭✭✭

    These markers tend to just denote a public footpath rather than an actual trail. If this is an actual trail that uses the generic markers with no identifiers on them, then you'd need to include additional details about the trail in the supporting info, such as a link to the LDWA/other relevant website that shows the trail route and name, to prove that this isn't just a random generic footpath marker that doesn't represent anything.

  • Rodensteiner-PGORodensteiner-PGO Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭✭✭

    just out of curiosity:

    in the UK, you differ between a public footpath (a path, with a name and Info on a Stick) AND a Trail.

    (A Random generic footpath parker doesnt represent anything?)

    Isnt it basicly the same thing? A Marker that marks a footpath, a foot-trail, something that is used to get from A to B?

  • Elijustrying-INGElijustrying-ING Posts: 5,515 Ambassador

    @Danjamin259-PGO

    Thanks for raising this question.

    As @HankWolfman-PGO says basic footpaths are not eligible.

    I had a look and on maps I clearly see the path, which does look like an environmentally friendly way to get exercise and walk between places. You do make it clear that Ash Path is a local name - we are fond of naming things in U.K. However as Hankwolfman says unless it is described on a website it is unlikely to be successful.

    Reviewers are human so sometimes inconsistencies happen The wayspot for this path at Murch close was lucky, and it probably led you to think that this one was going to be ok, so it will feel puzzling and frustrating.

    Tips for the future

    describing something as the “second entrance” although true, will make those quick to pass judgement think duplicate and stop at that point. Each way point should be distinct.

    if something isn’t visible on streetview or is easy to spot on satellite view, then make a photo sphere and publish it to Google maps (say that there is a photosphere. To do this download the streetview app, and follow instructions ( there video etc available on how to do this).

    Appeals - as another U.K. reviewer I can only say that nothing has been happening with appeals. It’s a fine call depending on quick it might be resubmitting compared to appeal. You can make a fresh submission whilst the appeal is in…..but it needs a lot of change to stand a chance.

  • Belahzur-INGBelahzur-ING Posts: 632 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No, a trail will use a specific marker, with a name or a symbol, or some other way of showing its presence. This is a public footpath, it's not a trail, doesn't have a trail name or symbol or any kind of standout specific object. a public footpath is just a "you can walk here legally without trespassing or something leading to a lawsuit", they are everywhere in the UK and does not meet criteria.

  • Elijustrying-INGElijustrying-ING Posts: 5,515 Ambassador

    @rodensteiner-ING

    It is to me a fine point of distinction but I think we have a reasonable agreement that something that simply say public footpath is simply indicating a legal right to walk that route unhindered (footbridges and ways across boundaries should be useable). So it is a piece of information. Some are extremely short a passageway between 2 roads (a short cut for pedestrians).

    if it has something more than that, then it should be a route to which some value has been placed. Nearly all trails utilise the basic rights of ways linking them together to form trails hundreds of miles long.

    With fitness/public health and environmental issues taking a greater prominence some areas are really

    promoting these and creating trails.

    Personally I think there should be more flex in very rural areas where these are used by hikers wanting a different route (sometimes to avoid the busy ones) but getting consistency would be tricky.

    The legal situation does vary within the U.K.

  • ClerkCade-PGOClerkCade-PGO Posts: 4 ✭✭✭

    I like the idea of including both ends of a foot path anywhere... this is about exploration too. Think about yourself as a young trainer trying to find faster ways to get across town to catch a raid before its gone and you see a trail path stop half a block down the other direction from which you'd have to go a half mile out of your way to find a cross road. We're gonna be able to see if there are a dozen stops on the same little foot path and then we can be strict about it, but giving people an idea that these stops exist would be pretty cool

  • Rodensteiner-PGORodensteiner-PGO Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you all for the information. another vast difference between countries. With every day I think it is an obscure idea from Niantic to have the same criteria worldwide.

  • Elijustrying-INGElijustrying-ING Posts: 5,515 Ambassador

    It does shine a light on differences and expected norms in different places. To me this is why the criteria should have fuzzy edges to allow for some differences.

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