Niantic wayfarer is a Total failure needs to stop
fregat12-PGO
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Hello,
I play in a small city and we have few ppl playing the game cuz we had no stops no gyms then we started to take time and try to make it better adding stops in game but it turns out it's impossible cuz Niantic takes all the good locations and turns them into ingress stops and the few pokemon players are left whit no stops. I nominated all the legit locations in my city really the basic stuff playgrounds mall church and from 17 nomination we got 5 pokemon stop and other 10 ingress stops and 2 not approved. Just think about in a small city everything is close to each other like a fountain is near to a statue and even a playground. But if u judge this way and after the community accepted all 3 spots then Niantic takes it and makes 1 PO go stop and the 2 other are lost.
If u keep things this way we just lose motivation to play the game.
like research events how u want me to do it if we have 20 stops in total and I need to walk like 15 km to reach all?
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Unfortunately I don't think there is much you can do about it.
If you haven't already you could familiarise yourself with S2 cells and how they effect Go.
If you are in a rural area and only 1 in every 3 of your accepted nominations show in the games you play it probably is disheartening. I don't think it's going to change in the near future though.
Apologies if your thread gets closed due to trying to help you :(
You’re not nominating solely for Pokémon GO, but all the Niantic games.
It’s nice that you’ve added new Portals for Ingress agents.
That's a distinction Niantic will have to acknowledge at some point.
They act as if people are just exploring locations, finding random cool stuff to submit, then forget about it and move on. And it's true sometimes, you're just visiting a place, see that a chapel or that info board about the history of the place aren't in wayfarer, so you submit then. If they get rejected, no sweat of your back.
But the majority of people are submitting POIs with the explicit purpose of increasing their QoL in their game of choice. Which is a fair, and frankly advantageous trade for Niantic who gets all this free labor in exchange. There is no reason to cater to a multibillion company who has proven to be perfectly fine to rescind players advantages to fatten their profit up.
People enter Wayfarer with certain expectations. If these expectations aren't met because of miscommunication, or because they got stiffed out of what they were hoping due to unspoken rules, they'll stop using Wayfarer, maybe stop playing the game altogether if it's the straw that breaks the camel's back, or start to cheat to get what they feel they are entitled for.
Obscure spacing rules is hurting everyone long term.
They should acknowledge that instead of “New PokéStop” and “Portal title” all need to change to Wayspot.
As for spacing, I don’t think it’s obscure, as it’s what’s been selected by the companies doing the games, but if it was made clearer at the nomination process that it may not go into all games, that would help.
My experience is about 1% of Go players will use Wayfarer as Niantic would like - Review, submit etc.
About 5%, if I'm being generous, will mostly submit with occasional reviews when they want an upgrade.
Whenever I meet someone from the 1% they generally say it's only them doing Wayfarer now and most of the 5% have given up out of frustration, effort to reward inequality and bad decisions from either Niantic or reviewers.
It has probably been fine in the short term for Niantic. For the few still in the 1% it's not great.
Hola, alguien me puede explicar por qué me rechazan todas mis propuestas de pokeparadas, estoy siguiendo todas las reglas
You’ll be better posting the full details (screenshots etc.) in here - https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/categories/nomination-improvement-advice
Images need moderation approval so your new post won’t show right away.
@Hosette-ING fully agree.
@fregat12-PGO
it is very frustrating but you have some misconceptions …. Which given poor communication is not surprising.
To be clear it’s the different rules that the different game developers about spacing that determines what comes through into the games. So it is the Pokémon Go team that decided to apply rules based on a geographic software tool.
Do find out and understand the impact of those rules prior to selecting and submitting. Search S2 cells and Pokémon go.
once that set of rules has been entered into the programming at the global level, the computer is where the decisions are made as to what is selected to appear based solely on those rules. There is no individual human intervention.
Try not to be disheartened, we can all go through this. The best way forward so that you can make a difference, is do the research, make sure that what you submit is well presented and learn from what has happened.
the nomination improvement section can help.
It's obscure in the sense that it's not an information readily available to you when you use their app. This is the kind of stuff that could be calculated directly as you try to submit a new POI since they already have all the geo data available and that sort of calculation is really not that CPU consuming. If you submit a POI from PoGo, the app could give you a warning that your submission is likely not to appear in the game because of nearby pokéstop/gyms, but could appear in other Niantic games. That way, people wouldn't feel betrayed when it happens 1 week (or up to 2+ years) later.
And if there's a fear people won't submit POI they don't see the benefit of, well first I don't think it's morally OK to dupe people like that, but we could, crazy idea, compensate them in another manner. You submit a valid, approved POI that sadly doesn't appear in PoGo? Have 500 coins for your good work.
I know my way around S2 cells and everything (always within the rules), but I can recognize that the current system is needlessly deceptive and only benefits Niantic short term by tricking players to submit POIs they wouldn't otherwise have bothered with.
It does tell you in Accepted emails;
Remember that not all accepted nominations will appear in all Niantic games (and may take up to 48 hours to appear).
but I guess it could tell you upfront when you nominate. However, the system is already abused by certain sects of Pokémon GO players as it is, I wouldn’t want to give them even more reason to do so.
A simple change from PokéStop/Portal to Wayspot along with a “What is a Wayspot?” link explaining that it’s added to the Niantic Lightship database firstly and then may appear in other Niantic titles would certainly help.
For me, I’m not nominating with one game in mind so if I see something that’s eligible and acceptable I’ll nominate it (in the correct location), don’t care about cells or spacing.
Just noticed your “500 coins” idea. Absolutely not. Again, people would game that system so hard. Nope.
Another thought on making it clear, it is quite clear here.
Note About User-Submitted Content and Ownership
When you submit a Portal nomination to Niantic, we don’t claim ownership of that content. You still retain your rights to the content as the creator, but you do grant Niantic a license to use the content in any way we see fit. This means, for example, that we have your permission to use the Portal images and descriptions to create new in-game locations in Ingress, but we also have your permission to use them to create locations across different games. This is just a brief summary of how we use user-submitted content. For the full details, please review the Niantic Terms of Service.
and also here;
Note about user-submitted content and ownership
When you submit a PokéStop nomination to Niantic, we don’t claim ownership of that content. You still retain your rights to the content as the creator. But you do grant Niantic a license to use the content in any way we see fit. This means, for example, that we have your permission to use the PokéStop images and descriptions to create new in-game locations in Pokémon GO, but we also have your permission to use them to create locations across different games. This is just a brief summary of how we use user-submitted content. For the full details, please review the Pokémon GO Terms of Service.
That you are not nominating for just one game, as you provide permission for them to create locations across different games.
It's roughly equal to a week worth of double-account (50 coins and 1 free raid pass, min.) and Niantic is not really in a hurry to crack down on those. It's also less exploitable than you seem to think. For people who live in rural areas, a new POI is way more valuable than 500 coins so if they're going to cheat, they'll be doing it for new pokéstops. For people living in area with enough POI density, an upgrade is pretty much mandatory, that means they would need to submit a fake POI, upgrade it, and finally have it approved. If that can be abused reliably, then it means the system is already too broken and needs a complete revamp IMO.
But alright, it could be something different. At the very least it should be an upgrade or an appeal.
but I guess it could tell you upfront when you nominate. However, the system is already abused by certain sects of Pokémon GO players as it is, I wouldn’t want to give them even more reason to do so.
Again, I strongly believe the abuse comes mainly from the fact that Niantic goals don't line up with the player base best interests. If the system was more rewarding, more people would be OK to play along because there wouldn't be a need to abuse it.
The only "downside" I see with telling people directly if their submission will appear in their game of choice or not is that some will try to wiggle the position a bit, e.g. submitting it from another side. Which, incidentally, they'll be doing after getting burned once and learn about S2 cells. Cheater groups won't be gaining much advantage from it.
For me, I’m not nominating with one game in mind so if I see something that’s eligible and acceptable I’ll nominate it (in the correct location), don’t care about cells or spacing.
You're part of a fringe minority. Just by being here we're already among people who overall care about Wayfarer. The overwhelming majority of discussion I had over POI submission outside of the forum were about getting results. People wants to optimize their neighborhood, or just have enough pokéstop density to be able to play and enjoy the game to the fullest. Being able to not care about the outcome of your submissions is kind of a luxury.
Just a reminder that more than one account is a no, according to the terms of service.
Niantic are aligned to their own goals, which won’t always line up with player goals from one specific game, as they have to think about the wider aspects and the future of their company/games/Lightship/AR etc.
As I implied, I think people need to really move away from the sole focus on one game and instead be happy that they may have improved someone’s gameplay in another game or maybe even contributed to an upcoming title.
It's not going to happen unfortunately.
The Ingress playerbase is dwindling and the small amount of Go players who were willing to submit to Wayfarer on a casual basis is also dwindling due to having to put in a Herculean effort just to add something to their local neighborhood.
Irrespective of any cheating this is a company that can't even be ar#ed arranging to send us a gift from our own accepted submissions.
Wayspots aren't "taken by Ingress." Wayspots can and do appear in more than one Niantic game. Each game has its own algorithm for which wayspots appear based in the game's gameplay and are not currently affected by other games.
Giving a "warning" or lack of warning just isn't feasible because of all the moving parts. Suppose Player A nominates a wayspot, and they don't get a "warning message" that it might not appear in Pogo, so they assume that if the nomination is accepted it WILL appear. But, Player B, unrelated, nominated an adjacent object to Player A's nomination and upgraded it. Player B's nomination is accepted first and appears in Pogo, but it's in the same cell as A's nomination, so when A's nomination gets accepted later, it doesn't appear in Pogo. Now Player A is thinking "what the $&$#, it didn't warn me that it wouldn't appear in game like it normally would." Conversely, Player C could get a warning that their nomination won't appear in Pogo. But then Player D notices the wayspot that is "blocking" that nomination was of an object that was taken down, so they report the wayspot as invalid. The invalid wayspot gets removed, so when C's nomination is accepted, it does appear in Pogo despite the fact that they got the warning message while submitting.
The only way it might work is a generic message at nomination rather than acceptance, like "Not all wayspots are used in all games."
What do you mean? I get a Portal Key and 1,000 AP each time. 🔑 😆
What!!!! This is outrageous! Someone start a thread.....
Even that is intentionally vague. Cut the BS and say this might not appear in Pokemon Go even though it's most likely the only Niantic game you play.
Giving people in-game currency for anything about Wayfarer will be heavily gamed. I am pretty sure I could find at least ten marginally-acceptable wayspots in my neighborhood that wouldn't make it into Pokemon Go because of density rules. If I got 500 coins every time something appeared in another game but not PoGo then I would have to start using PoGo instead of Ingress to submit.
(I wouldn't do it because my personal standards for what I submit are higher than Niantic's standards for what is acceptable.)