Invalid Wayspot Appeal
Tntnnbltn-ING
Posts: 809 Ambassador
Title of the Wayspot: 1905 Charles Harper
Location: -31.952486,115.85006
City: Perth
Country: Australia
Screenshot of the Rejection Email:
Additional information: There are two duplicates Wayspots for the same physical object.
Photos to support your claim:
Wayspot 1: "1905 Charles Harper" (-31.952486,115.85006)
Wayspot 2: "1905 Charles Harper" (-31.952247,115.849337)
Streetview from Location 2 (correct location):
(Note the drain visible above the plaque. This is the same drain that appears in Wayspot 1's photo. The brick fence also matches.)
Wayspot 2 is the correct one. Please remove Wayspot 1 as a duplicate.
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Are you going to submit all the missing plaques as new waypoints? Or just delete and move stuff?
Several you moved over the last few days to 'correct' locations are incorrect.
Fwiw I mainly only submit 'cool stuff' in regional/new areas and rarely do any other Wayfarer activity.
If you are intent on 'fixing' my deskie area (none of which I submitted or moved) at least add in the missing ones.
Or even take a photo of one of the non submitted plaques and rename/move the duplicate instead of removing it?
(For those reading this, about twice the number of plaque waypoints could be added as half the plaques are not even subbed).
Niantic your Ambassador targets opposite faction areas with abandon. Many of his nitpicking removals are reversed by Wayfarer resubmissions or appeals. (See the Bushells Tea one recently mentioned here which was restored by Niantic then mysteriously removed again). https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/35023/appeal-portal-removal-bushells-tea-mural#latest
I don't mind fair valid corrections but your 'neutral' Ambassador targets Resistance areas, including those 100s of kilometres away when they get used by Resistance for fielding from. (And it was reinstated).
Several of his removal requests have been appealed and reinstated so it seems like a misuse of power whilst trying to appear to be improving the portal network.
This looks like a fair correction and I agree with the duplicate correction. There are plenty of things to submit in the area and plent of existing waypoints. However a new photo and rename/reposition would have been easier not requiring a removal appeal.
What I don't agree with is Ambassadors 'prioritising' opposite faction active areas over kilometres of central business district.
Especially when they claim to have been 'just passing through by chance'.
Ambassadors should be neutral, not participating in thinly disguised trolling. Niantic, actions like this remove confidence in the Ambassador program.
I have even had opposite faction agents ask me about waypoint locations around my home area because 'tntnnbltn asked me to check'.
It's also interesting that I suddenly got a visit from tntnnbltn after over a year at this location after I commented on an attempted removal of a no signal portal on these forums a few days ago.
Niantic staff can PM me for more information and I can reply with extra information in detail.
Removed as dupe to larger post above (which took ages to appear).
Others right near the one being appealed.
And uphill
Not to mention over the other side of the road.
I don't mind fair edits, but you should be adding more than you are removing.
Hi @SSSputnik-ING
I will respond to your message here for the sake of transparency.
Removal of a duplicate is the appropriate action. It is also not easy, because the title and photo reviews occur separately, and the title change will get rejected (because it won’t match the old photo) and the photo change will get rejected (because it won’t match the old title). I have also seen people try to appeal such rejected edits on the forum, only to have Niantic retire the Wayspot instead.
By removing the duplicates, this frees up the area so that the other plaques which are around can be submitted and can go live in various games where allowed by proximity rules.
Sorry to hear that you are feeling targeted by these changes. In relation to the last week, I was passenger in a car at traffic lights, and upon opening Ingress a saw a lot of blue portals. I thought this could be some quick AP, as I am close to levelling up. I was not aware at the time that the traffic light was near your workplace, and I only found out through you messaging a mutual friend saying that it was your “deskies” and that you “Guess a portal accuracy option incoming”. I had noticed at the time that one of the portals at that location showed a 9 metre inflatable golden **** climbing a four story building which looked awesome, but I had never seen it in my life. An internet search revealed it had only been a brief temporary installation week for a week or two back in 2018 and was then removed (https://www.hit.com.au/story/a-giant-golden-****-has-arrived-in-perth-108512). A nine metre primate is hard to miss, so given that this very visually noticeable Wayspot had been live for four years without anyone correcting it, it encouraged my to see if there were other Wayspots in the area which may also need reporting or correcting.
The answer to that question was yes. So far, my initial investigation of the CBD, covering an area of approximately 1.7km across by 700 metres down, has identified 124 misplaced Wayspots, with an average misplacement distance of 23.0 metres. 21 Wayspots were misplaced by over 40 metres, which is larger than the interaction radius for Ingress. The furtherest misplacement identified so far (“1973 Florence Hummerston”) was whopping 118 metres from the correct location.
Misplaced Wayspots makes it difficult for players to locate and enjoy the interesting locations which these Wayspots represent, such as the murals around Wolf Lane and Grand Lane that are located far away from the corresponding Waypoints. By correcting these locations, people will be able to discover the real-life candidates more easily. It also stops those misplaced Wayspots from preventing new and cool Wayspots from going live in their correct locations.
Most of these location changes are still being processed, as there is obviously a large volume that requires Niantic review. All location edits larger than the in-game moveable distance undergo independent review from Niantic, and being a Wayfarer Ambassador does not change that process whatsoever. However, a majority of the pending changes you would presumably not notice as they aren’t Wayspots you interact with frequently. It is human nature to recognise those things which affect us closely. Your claim that I have ‘prioritised your work area over kilometres of central business district’ is incorrect considering that the changes I submitted to Niantic involved literally checking several kilometres of central business district. I’m about half way through the CBD review, and intend to continue doing so until I have covered it all, balancing that task with other life priorities. Some of the Wayspots which I have corrected locations for do not even appear in Ingress, such as “Florence Hummerston Reserve” which was misplaced by 19.5 metres, but you may not be away of this Wayspot if you don’t play Pokémon Go. Other recent projects which I have taken upon myself, such as correcting location accuracy at places such as Piney Lakes, also tend to go unnoticed by the Ingress community because they don’t immediately affect Ingress players. I apply the same level of scrutiny to areas closer to home, however, as I have already corrected location accuracy and removed invalid Wayspots in these places there is little for me to continue to do there short of Wayspot removals should objects get removed.
I want the Wayspot network to be as accurate as possible, while fulfilling Niantic’s criteria, so if you have spotted any Wayspots in any areas which you do not feel meet the criteria, I will work with you to assist you in the removal process.
You mentioned that I should be adding more than I am removing. I have recently surpassed 1300 approved Wayspot nominations — most of which are in WA — of which 1016 of those are portals. I am also coming up on my 25,000th agreement in Wayfarer, which has resulted in tens of thousands of Wayspots go live both nationally and internationally.
I hope that this clarifies the situation for yourself and any others reading.
Given that you said that this looks like a “looks like a fair correction and [you] agree with the duplicate correction”, there is probably not much further relevant conversation that can happen with regards to this particular Wayspot appeal. If there are other Wayspots that you feel need further correction, a separate appeal post would be best which addresses those Wayspot(s) in particular, so that those appeals can receive the proper attention and focus they deserve.
I know it's human nature to trip on things that affect us personally - it's why I marked locations of waypoints before any moves took place.
You appear to be starting at locations I commonly am at, including my home area, which I am thankful was mostly accurate.
You traveled very far to remove an anchor point our faction utilized. Which was subsequently re-instated as the removal reason was marginal in the extreme.
We are seeing few edits for Armadale, Harrisdale, Coogee etc despite these being a lot physically closer to you. All areas Enlightened predominantly frequent.
We are seeing removed portals, being appealed successfully, then mysteriously vanish again.
You state, "By removing the duplicates, this frees up the area so that the other plaques which are around can be submitted and can go live in various games where allowed by proximity rules."
You very well know that due to CBD density, this is likely to result in the removal of waypoints with no chance to put them back due to proximity rules.
Again - Niantic please PM me for further information.
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Sorry to hear that you are feeling targeted by these changes. In relation to the last week, I was passenger in a car at traffic lights, and upon opening Ingress a saw a lot of blue portals. I thought this could be some quick AP, as I am close to levelling up. I was not aware at the time that the traffic light was near your workplace, and I only found out through you messaging a mutual friend saying that it was your “deskies” and that you “Guess a portal accuracy option incoming”
Interesting - because you only smashed/damaged a few, more AP was lost through links dropping from the moves than you would have gained. You then spent what must be hours doing Wayfarer activity instead of playing the game. As a fellow team member stated today, "Editing portals used to be what the cheats did to troll people 🤷 Has he not got the memo". You are generating an awful lot of <censored> Enlightened sentiment across Australia.
Most of the stuff in the CBD, nobody cares about. It's like KP, it gets wiped/built/wiped again, it's a sandbox. If a waypoint is a few meters out of position, nobody, except you, has cared in over 8 years.
Also - upon more and more examination - a fair few of your "corrections" are wrong.
One example.
Can you come back and fix it more please?
As I mentioned, I was a passenger at traffic lights. The light went green before I was able to destroy the links.
I am aware I spent many more hours doing Wayfarer than I did playing Ingress. Wayfarer is my main gaming activity, not Ingress or Pokémon Go.
I can see that not many people have cared about editing the locations to reflect real world accuracy in the area over the last 8 years, or removing invalid portals. Some submitters also appeared to have intentionally misplaced things to avoid proximity rules. That is why there is much why so many corrections had to be made. As I indicated earlier, there were Wayspots located up to 100 metres in the wrong area.
The Wayspot network does not exist solely for the enjoyment of Ingress players. By having correct locations, people who enjoy the on-foot exploration aspect will be able to more reliably locate Wayspots. Additionally, it will support AR interactivity which may be incorporated into newer games, especially with the growing push to open up the Lightship ARDK to third-party developers.
I am aware that the 1920 plaque and 1921 plaque are stacked at the moment. Both were in the wrong location, and I reported both to Niantic, but they only progressed part way through the ticket. This resulted in 1921 getting moved on top of 1920, and 1920 still needs to move ~12 metres west. How quickly Niantic moves through the ticket is not within my control, as it is Niantic making the location edits, not me. Looking at the ticket progress it appears they have processed the move for the 1920 plaque in the last 24 hours, so the corrected location will go live tomorrow.
None of this has anything to do with the duplicate appeal for “1905 Charles Harper”, though, and is not relevant to this appeals post. If you wish to post a location appeal or other appeal for a different Wayspot, you can do so by posting a separate post.
I can see that the appeal has been processed and the duplicate Wayspot has been retired. Thank you.