So in other words you said that CotW imported Wayspots will remain in Pokemon GO as long as it's not on K-12. Understandable.
But one question isn't answered yet, why the sudden change of criteria (outside of $$$$)? Are you expecting school students would play the game? I bet they'll prefer to play Pokemon GO—and catch a suddenly spawned Jangmo-o—in their school instead of playing basketball in their phone.
You people need to learn how to take pictures more discreetly. You casually hold your phone at your side and walk around and take a ton of photos without really looking at your phone. Then you get in your car and look at them, you can usually find one or two good photos. You’re welcome!
Again, what is the difference? The grounds are shared use and the building is not K-12. Casey compared it to a playground, which is also "grounds", not a "building". Does Niantic have to explain every individual situation in the world before you people understand it?
I don’t think it is helpful to keep using terms such as creepy and using it in such a blanket way that appears to apply to all players and cultural situations.
I am very ordinary and use common sense (maybe not that common 🤔) to adapt what I am doing and how, to my surroundings with the top consideration being my safety.
I am happy that large parts of the people that post here do not submit and review here where we do. Life is different, and one thing we learned is that the ideas that Niantic has in San Francrisco are not to be applied to Turku, Finland or Balderschwang, Germany.
This is wrong. You will have grown adults on school grounds for the sake of playing a game. Or play the game just for more sinister reasons. You had it right the first time. No waypoints on K-12. You aren’t thinking right
What tags should we be using to ensure it goes for Niantic review? Also, as Ingress Agents can’t select “what is it?” when nominating, how do they ensure it goes to Niantic for review?
If someone is off the mindset to cause trouble at a school having a Wayspot there isn't going to change that.
The creeping argument is deflecting the problem of after years of saying they want quality, waxing lyrical about exploration and asking Wayfarers to follow a set of guidelines why they are not willing to apply them to their own product.
The 4Sq dump, the potential mess from yesterday's decision, the shoddy internal reviews, lack of care to appeals, farming out reviews, inconsistent and nonsensical rejection of reports, CotW dump and expecting people to edit and report location, pictures and duplicates, airport poi, poi in the ocean the list goes on and on.
It's absurd and laughable to review someone else's submission and apply the rules of criteria to them.
Nothing in this guidance about the wayspot approval, is about where you would be to access the wayspot.
We have no knowledge of what the interaction distance may be in that game.
individuals would need to follow the access rules of that location.
Maybe there will be a specific reminder screen about trespass. 🤷♀️
Maybe that is too naive of Niantic and the game to think it won’t encourage wrong behaviour but that is not our problem. We can point out the issues, but from Tintino’s post, they have been considering these points.
I would welcome clarity of how we assess etc the difference between a court that only has a fence between it and a public area, a school that is an integral part of community activities and one where there are strict measures in place about access and the court is far removed from public.
Perhaps that is a judgement that Niantic staff will make in deciding the tags to set on that waypoint regarding game inclusion.
I’m assuming from Tintino’s posts that most submissions will go direct to Niantic by some form of magic. This is for those that escape into the wild of the review pool. It would be helpful to have a a quick way when one surfaces that a reviewer can click to divert to Niantic and not clog the pool.
I’m not about to go and nominate but if not diverted, then any I would make would take somewhere around 28 months to resolve.
As well as the many obvious problems already mentioned, this is just another thing that Niantic will prioritise reviewing instead of the appeals weve been waiting months for.
I will not be nominating things on K-12 campuses. Sorry, but that’s wildly inappropriate. You’re also opening the company up to a whole lot of litigation and bad press.
While the US is in the minority, it is not the only country to call the game played at the World Cup soccer: Football Vs. Soccer Map (businessinsider.com) "The takeaway: Americans aren't the only ones who don't call it "football." Not by a long shot. Much of Southeast Asia, Japan, Korea, Oceania, South Africa and even Italy call it something other than "football.""
Hi @NianticTintino-ING , my apologies for the tag as I know you are getting a barrage of messages, but I believe this may be of somewhat urgent concern.
While I was reviewing yesterday, I came across a multi-purpose court that includes basketball hoops on the grounds of a K-12 school from my bonus location. Based on your guidance earlier in this thread, I voted to accept it, and it appears a majority of reviewers did so as well. However, this wayspot has appeared on the Ingress Intel map as a portal, and I can only assume it is a PokeStop as well.
I bring this to your attention not only so this Wayspot can be removed from the non-NBA games, but also to ask a general question. This is certainly not the last wayspot that may not be caught by your team and end up in a game or games it shouldn't. How should we report these?
Now to the specific wayspot info. Since it is a multi-purpose court, it doesn't have "basketball" in the title. I know I don't need to explain the Spanish to you. I can't attest to all Spanish-speaking countries, but in Peru, "loza deportiva" is very common, even for basketball-only courts.
Personally, I don't see why POIs can't be in K-12 in games at least "Part Time"
I know in Pokemon Go Stops/Etc can be set to "Shut off" at 7 PM Local. So why not just make them "Turn on" at 6 PM and "Turn off" at 5 AM (pick your own #s). Whether this would work in Ingress or not no idea.
I live down the street from a Elementary School and Middle School. In between them there is a Playground, a Ballpark, a Track, 3 Basketball Courts and a football field.
I see multiple non-school baseball teams use the baseball field to practice
I've taken my kids to playground outside school hours
I've walked the track, and seen many others walk the track.
I've seen Teenagers and Adults play basketball on the Courts.
None of this happens during school hours, but all summer long, and in the spring/fall when daylight outlasts the schools hours, these are community use. And part of why I bought a house on the street.
Well, I don't have any meaningful opinion about Wayspots for various games being on K-12 school property, but that's not really what this thread is about. Laws and social norms vary a lot from place to place, and yep I do have access to smallish children to act as a cover - which explains why my Roller Coaster count includes so many kiddie coasters I rode long after I was kiddie-sized. Niantic is making a special exception, though, and I don't believe they have the technical infrastructure to properly isolate these exceptions. The courts will be in one game, but they want players of two other games to nominate, even if they'll never see those Wayspots in their game(s) of choice. Those people doing the nominating work will likely find a workaround and get more than one School Court into Ingress or Pokemon Go - and then Niantic expects that same group of people to report those candidates so that Niantic can re-review them and exclude them from games manually. It won't happen. Future Wayfinders will look at approved stuff on school grounds, and nominate other things on those properties. It's a bad precedent, and the summit of a very slippery **** downhill. That's my only issue.
I know it's not a black and white world, and reviews are naturally subjective - what's great for you may not be great for me, and the reverse is also true. However, a clear "No School Grounds" ruling was easy to understand, clear-cut and plain. Now we have "No school grounds, but nominate this one thing if you want, reviewers should approve basketball courts on school grounds but not playgrounds or other sports fields or that cool statue on the front lawn, and not reject as they've done for ages, and oh there's not gonna be an in-game notification about this because these Wayspots will not appear in those games, so reviewers not part of a chat group will continue to reject and your rating will suffer, but that's okay, oh and if you happen to see any Ingress Portals or Pokestops pop up on school grounds please notify us somehow, not saying how, and we will possibly remove from the game in which you saw the object" while in the interim reviewers unaware of this new change will likely be receiving warning emails for "rejecting things for the wrong reason" although they're acting in good faith. It's a bad change.
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So in other words you said that CotW imported Wayspots will remain in Pokemon GO as long as it's not on K-12. Understandable.
But one question isn't answered yet, why the sudden change of criteria (outside of $$$$)? Are you expecting school students would play the game? I bet they'll prefer to play Pokemon GO—and catch a suddenly spawned Jangmo-o—in their school instead of playing basketball in their phone.
I'm not a scruffy bum, but at 54 years old I have 100% had weird looks from parents photographing around playgrounds.
Just so much double standards by Niantic here, it's jaw dropping.
You people need to learn how to take pictures more discreetly. You casually hold your phone at your side and walk around and take a ton of photos without really looking at your phone. Then you get in your car and look at them, you can usually find one or two good photos. You’re welcome!
That's creepier than just taking a photo of the thing
It's really a good idea to encourage playing mobile games while standing on basket ball courts.
How is that any different than a non K-12 building on shared grounds?
You posted the link to the discussion. Please share where it refer to community used buildings on K-12 grounds be eligible.
Again, what is the difference? The grounds are shared use and the building is not K-12. Casey compared it to a playground, which is also "grounds", not a "building". Does Niantic have to explain every individual situation in the world before you people understand it?
I don’t think it is helpful to keep using terms such as creepy and using it in such a blanket way that appears to apply to all players and cultural situations.
I am very ordinary and use common sense (maybe not that common 🤔) to adapt what I am doing and how, to my surroundings with the top consideration being my safety.
Let’s keep points we make factual.
I will not go in school areas thats just wrong and no school want strangers with their phone poking around, what is niantic thinking+? +
better they create random virtual poi instead
I am happy that large parts of the people that post here do not submit and review here where we do. Life is different, and one thing we learned is that the ideas that Niantic has in San Francrisco are not to be applied to Turku, Finland or Balderschwang, Germany.
I think it's natural even if you don't say that you think with common sense.
It's easy to interpret that it's a basketball court in a park or community space.
This is wrong. You will have grown adults on school grounds for the sake of playing a game. Or play the game just for more sinister reasons. You had it right the first time. No waypoints on K-12. You aren’t thinking right
What tags should we be using to ensure it goes for Niantic review? Also, as Ingress Agents can’t select “what is it?” when nominating, how do they ensure it goes to Niantic for review?
Well, at least we are in The Good Place.
They already do that for cemeteries (pending on owner request) so they can definitely do that for those.
If someone is off the mindset to cause trouble at a school having a Wayspot there isn't going to change that.
The creeping argument is deflecting the problem of after years of saying they want quality, waxing lyrical about exploration and asking Wayfarers to follow a set of guidelines why they are not willing to apply them to their own product.
The 4Sq dump, the potential mess from yesterday's decision, the shoddy internal reviews, lack of care to appeals, farming out reviews, inconsistent and nonsensical rejection of reports, CotW dump and expecting people to edit and report location, pictures and duplicates, airport poi, poi in the ocean the list goes on and on.
It's absurd and laughable to review someone else's submission and apply the rules of criteria to them.
Nothing in this guidance about the wayspot approval, is about where you would be to access the wayspot.
We have no knowledge of what the interaction distance may be in that game.
individuals would need to follow the access rules of that location.
Maybe there will be a specific reminder screen about trespass. 🤷♀️
Maybe that is too naive of Niantic and the game to think it won’t encourage wrong behaviour but that is not our problem. We can point out the issues, but from Tintino’s post, they have been considering these points.
I would welcome clarity of how we assess etc the difference between a court that only has a fence between it and a public area, a school that is an integral part of community activities and one where there are strict measures in place about access and the court is far removed from public.
Perhaps that is a judgement that Niantic staff will make in deciding the tags to set on that waypoint regarding game inclusion.
I’m assuming from Tintino’s posts that most submissions will go direct to Niantic by some form of magic. This is for those that escape into the wild of the review pool. It would be helpful to have a a quick way when one surfaces that a reviewer can click to divert to Niantic and not clog the pool.
I’m not about to go and nominate but if not diverted, then any I would make would take somewhere around 28 months to resolve.
As well as the many obvious problems already mentioned, this is just another thing that Niantic will prioritise reviewing instead of the appeals weve been waiting months for.
I will not be nominating things on K-12 campuses. Sorry, but that’s wildly inappropriate. You’re also opening the company up to a whole lot of litigation and bad press.
While the US is in the minority, it is not the only country to call the game played at the World Cup soccer: Football Vs. Soccer Map (businessinsider.com) "The takeaway: Americans aren't the only ones who don't call it "football." Not by a long shot. Much of Southeast Asia, Japan, Korea, Oceania, South Africa and even Italy call it something other than "football.""
Hi @NianticTintino-ING , my apologies for the tag as I know you are getting a barrage of messages, but I believe this may be of somewhat urgent concern.
While I was reviewing yesterday, I came across a multi-purpose court that includes basketball hoops on the grounds of a K-12 school from my bonus location. Based on your guidance earlier in this thread, I voted to accept it, and it appears a majority of reviewers did so as well. However, this wayspot has appeared on the Ingress Intel map as a portal, and I can only assume it is a PokeStop as well.
I bring this to your attention not only so this Wayspot can be removed from the non-NBA games, but also to ask a general question. This is certainly not the last wayspot that may not be caught by your team and end up in a game or games it shouldn't. How should we report these?
Now to the specific wayspot info. Since it is a multi-purpose court, it doesn't have "basketball" in the title. I know I don't need to explain the Spanish to you. I can't attest to all Spanish-speaking countries, but in Peru, "loza deportiva" is very common, even for basketball-only courts.
Title: Loza Deportiva Calcuta
Portal link: https://intel.ingress.com/intel?ll=-11.084557,-77.58007&z=17&pll=-11.084557,-77.58007
Images:
I really like that idea
Thank you @Melurra-PGO. I'll be taking a look into it. I appreciate you letting me know.
Personally, I don't see why POIs can't be in K-12 in games at least "Part Time"
I know in Pokemon Go Stops/Etc can be set to "Shut off" at 7 PM Local. So why not just make them "Turn on" at 6 PM and "Turn off" at 5 AM (pick your own #s). Whether this would work in Ingress or not no idea.
I live down the street from a Elementary School and Middle School. In between them there is a Playground, a Ballpark, a Track, 3 Basketball Courts and a football field.
I see multiple non-school baseball teams use the baseball field to practice
I've taken my kids to playground outside school hours
I've walked the track, and seen many others walk the track.
I've seen Teenagers and Adults play basketball on the Courts.
None of this happens during school hours, but all summer long, and in the spring/fall when daylight outlasts the schools hours, these are community use. And part of why I bought a house on the street.
Well, I don't have any meaningful opinion about Wayspots for various games being on K-12 school property, but that's not really what this thread is about. Laws and social norms vary a lot from place to place, and yep I do have access to smallish children to act as a cover - which explains why my Roller Coaster count includes so many kiddie coasters I rode long after I was kiddie-sized. Niantic is making a special exception, though, and I don't believe they have the technical infrastructure to properly isolate these exceptions. The courts will be in one game, but they want players of two other games to nominate, even if they'll never see those Wayspots in their game(s) of choice. Those people doing the nominating work will likely find a workaround and get more than one School Court into Ingress or Pokemon Go - and then Niantic expects that same group of people to report those candidates so that Niantic can re-review them and exclude them from games manually. It won't happen. Future Wayfinders will look at approved stuff on school grounds, and nominate other things on those properties. It's a bad precedent, and the summit of a very slippery **** downhill. That's my only issue.
I know it's not a black and white world, and reviews are naturally subjective - what's great for you may not be great for me, and the reverse is also true. However, a clear "No School Grounds" ruling was easy to understand, clear-cut and plain. Now we have "No school grounds, but nominate this one thing if you want, reviewers should approve basketball courts on school grounds but not playgrounds or other sports fields or that cool statue on the front lawn, and not reject as they've done for ages, and oh there's not gonna be an in-game notification about this because these Wayspots will not appear in those games, so reviewers not part of a chat group will continue to reject and your rating will suffer, but that's okay, oh and if you happen to see any Ingress Portals or Pokestops pop up on school grounds please notify us somehow, not saying how, and we will possibly remove from the game in which you saw the object" while in the interim reviewers unaware of this new change will likely be receiving warning emails for "rejecting things for the wrong reason" although they're acting in good faith. It's a bad change.
Love yugioh abridged
I love that a Niantic forum moderator saw the GIF in response to the comment and went ✔️ approved 😆
Honestly, I think the mods just make sure there's no male or female giblets and pass through lol