Highschool football fields.
RubyandSamsMama-PGO
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Was just wondering if a highschool football field would be eligible? It's not on highschool grounds. It's closer to the middleschool.
RubyandSamsMama-PGO
Posts: 44 ✭✭
Was just wondering if a highschool football field would be eligible? It's not on highschool grounds. It's closer to the middleschool.
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If it is on school ground then no.
You describe it as closer to the middle school. Is it on public ground or not.
its still school grounds
The only thing allowed on school ground are basketball courts apparently
I live in the USA where most school sports fields are correctly denied. But some are actually approved.
Any sports fields contiguous to properties on which school buildings are located will be consistently denied. If the sports fields are at a significantly distant location from any school buildings, however, or at a separately maintained city or county park, they will often be approved.
In no case. If football, basketball or whatever fields are within the school territory, they are not allowed. As well as the graffiti or murals on its exterior walls
@ElPortalDeNorbe-PGO
There was a recent change because of the new basketball game - outdoor basketball courts are allowed.
https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/38605/update-to-wayfarer-criteria-regarding-outdoor-basketball-courts-discussion#latest
Magnífico! Se me había pasado!
Yeah, this is one I don't agree with. If the NBA can pay to have bball courts at schools accepted, then football stadiums at American high schools should be accepted. In a lot of areas of the country, football is a huge community attraction. An entire town comes together at the local high school to support the football games, even if they don't know someone playing on the team. They can just be a fun outing for a family or for people who have nothing better to do in a small town on a Friday night.
In some places basketball probably has the same appeal, but probably not as many places.
En España es con diferencia el deporte mayoritario el fútbol
Which is why I explicitly stated "American high schools" in my comment. I'm not talking about any other countries. I know soccer is far more popular in other parts of the world but I don't know the cultural significance of high school soccer matches in those places.
@SeaprincessHNB-PGO I hate the outdoor courts on school grounds thing because creating weird exceptions makes it too hard for submitters and reviewers to get things right. IMO it creates more confusion than it can possibly be worth. "I should always reject things on K-12 school grounds. But wait, here's a football field at a high school. Does it qualify? I read somewhere that there was one exception for something sports-related but I can't remember what it is. Football? Basketball? Tennis?"
"Oh bag it. I'll just check the Rejection Criteria page..." Click, click, click...
Location is a private residential property (even if historical), farmland, a K12 and under school (preschool, primary/elementary, secondary/high school), child care/daycare center, rehabilitation center, safety shelter
"OK, Niantic hasn't updated their rejection criteria so I'm just going to follow the criteria and reject everything on K-12 property, since that's what they tell people is the central source of truth."
I agree that it is confusing. But this has been my *personal opinion* since before the NBA exception. I feel like my opinion has some merit now that there is an official school exception for NBA.
However, this is also why I disagree with those who want a single set of criteria for the whole world. Things have cultural relevance in some places but not in others. I don't think you're from the US, so I'm never going to be able to get you to understand the cultural significance of high school football here. And I don't think there's a corresponding high school sporting event in any other country. Maaaaybe high school hockey in Canada comes kinda close?
Also laws vary in places. Obviously, we've heard reports that the UK has some serious laws about people being on school grounds. But we also go round and round about the laws of what constitutes PRP in various places. I know many Australians who will argue 'til they're blue in the face that PRP ends at the sidewalk, so LFLs installed between the street and the sidewalk should not be rejected for PRP. I don't live there so I can't agree or disagree with that. I can only worry about the jurisdiction where I live and nominate.
It's also like what we experience with cemeteries. Most cemeteries are going to an easy rejection. But there are also plenty of exceptions. My state has at least 2 major exceptions (I'm sure more) where there are cemeteries that are either officially designated as a city park or at least serve as such a tourist attraction that they offer official tours. One of the ones in my state has to charge people for photo shoots because brides take their wedding photos in it. (I think it's weird but it is such a popular spot for it that they have to charge and issue photo permits to keep the number of brides under control.)
You common sense is too high here, beware people dont like that especially the unpaid workers
Oh, I have no expectation that it will change. I am just stating what I think about it.
@SeaprincessHNB-PGO I was born and raised in St. Louis and currently live in the San Francisco Bay area. I get where you're coming from.
At the same time, I understand why Niantic is taking the conservative route about creepy people hanging around on school grounds, and not carving out exemptions. If it was reasonably feasible to turn them on only during football games that might be a different story but I doubt that's realistically possible.
There is one weird case I have come across and just hit skip.
It was a High School Football Field. Had the name of the High School on the scoreboard sign. But maps showed NO schools attached to it. It was literally a stand alone football field for the high school with normal businesses on sides of road.
I bailed as it was "Technically School Property" but it wasn't on grounds of a K-12 school.
OK, not sure why I thought you were in Europe. But I think this logic of "not carving out exceptions" has no value any more. Niantic has already muddied the waters with the outdoor basketball exception. They simply can't have it both ways of "it's creepy" for one game and A-OK for another.
@SeaprincessHNB-PGO I haven't seen the NBA game so I don't know what the game design is, but perhaps it only does things that wouldn't cause people to hang around being creepy? I guess we'll see. I do hate the exception, though I think the waters got muddied a long time ago with "community pools are OK but not pools in apartment complexes and hotels." But, like the high school basketball court exception that might be something that was only published on the forum and never made it into the criteria so only forum nerds know about it.
Haha you got the pools criteria backwards. Maybe it was on purpose to prove a point.
In the UK if a soccer match was on school grounds it would only be if you had a child at the school playing were a family friend/relative that you would go, nobody would really go inside to watch a high school soccer game.
Schools are a locked up, no go area most of the time unless you have a reason to be there.
@29andCounting-PGO No, I got them right. Community pools, e.g. pools run by the city, are acceptable. Pools in apartment complexes and hotels are not allowed.
Tricky one there! Publicly accessible amenities inside Apartment complexes could still be eligible as long as they meet all of the acceptance criteria as mentioned in our November AMA. However, swimming pools inside residential properties (including multi-family residential apartments and hotels) are an exception to these criteria and are deemed ineligible.
I don't know if this is the case in other countries, but in my country, there are cases where amateur sports teams use school grounds. I think it deserves approval.
Ah, this is a wording issue. I would call a Community pool one that is in a neighborhood. I live in an area where almost all neighborhoods have community amenities including tennis courts, a playground, a pool, and a clubhouse. Smaller neighborhoods are putting in things like Bocce courts or fire pits. They are paid for by HOA dues from homeowners. It is bizarre to me that we can get all the amenities approved except the pool. ALL the pools in my area are surrounded by a fence. There's no danger of people wandering around and falling into the pool because you either need the code or a key card to get into the area. The tennis courts are typically the same way, TBH. I have added a lot of these gated tennis courts to the game and I usually have to stick my hand through the gap at the hinge side of the door to get a photo.
What you're calling a Community pool, I would call a Public pool or a City pool.
Your case is the same as mine but the concern here is that it is in an explicitly stated ineligible location (K-12 school).
The case on the 2nd paragraph above presents a grey area though.
@The26thDoctor-PGO Did you use the S word instead of Football. Shocking
US college sport is huge. There is no doubt a cultural aspect.
We know that for the world all over sport can be cultural. Ask any Liverpool or Man U football fan Or a Brazilian/Argentinian Football fan. Aussies with their AFL and Cricket. India with Cricket. Gosh India with Kabaddi
So from my view the point @SeaprincessHNB-PGO is making has validity. There is a large and for some colleges very large following for their teams. Look at the size of the Rose Bowl final and the overall TV audience.
But Niantic have just burst the criteria bubble with their NBA game trying to get people to nominate as rapidly as possible. To nominate if not a kid means Joe Public will be - in most countries - breaking the law.
I don't think Niantic were stopping creepy people - if it was then why not playgrounds. I think Niantic knows that the vast majority of schools exclude joe public. That there are laws. It just needed to get as many School Basket Ball courts into its system so it could do its NBA deal.
The issue with its NBA statement is there is no commentary on obeying the law and the normal caveats one should be putting into place when encouraging joe public to get onto prohibited spaces. Naughty Niantic. And encouraging trespass. Wanna bring that up with the NBA Contact the NBA – NBA.com: Contact Us :-)
So @SeaprincessHNB-PGO I would say if the sport field is on school grounds then No. If the sport field, stadium in some cases etc is off campus then why not. I do not disagree with your reasoning but play it self and save your time. :-)
@rufoushumming-PGO One thing to keep in mind is that the US has a significant recent history of school ... the word that goes in there will get starred out by the forum software but it rhymes with chute-ings. Because of that problem American schools are on higher alert and have more stringent security standards than they used to. I'm certain that Niantic is cognizant of that, and it seems likely that this is one of the drivers of their decision to remove wayspots from K-12 property, and prohibit future ones.
I'm still sad that this jet-on-a-stick got removed when they mass-deleted all the K-12 wayspots.
@Hosette-ING
That Jet is awesome. Shame seems right next to a public footpath with full public access. boo hiss
I get the chute issue. But if that were the case why on earth did Niantic do the whole NBA thing. I get what they did - what is the fastest way to get all open court in school into the game. I know let us use our existing base of users.
It is appalling product management from a brand, user point of view and for the risk profile for their client the NBA.
They could have easily launched the game with the huge number of non school courts and half courts. Included a nomination function for new courts with the set criteria. Gamified a little to get kids nominating or even included a NBA prize function. Costs would have been low. Could have really accellerated game use - got great investment from school players. If registration includes an age function then limit registration to an age range. Include a whats your school in the registration. Right age, right school etc. Lots of little things could be done.
But hey - Coulda shoulda woulda.
@rufoushumming-PGO I don't know why they did it, but it may be dependent on the specifics of how the NBA gameplay works. I guess we'll find out eventually.
I don't like basketball courts at schools for minors. But I think Niantic & NBA's reasoning is that evening and weekend pick-up basketball games are already happening there. Potentially every day.
Home high school football games happen five nights a year, and it'd be creepy to be there any of the other 361 days. No one breaks out in a pick-up American football game at the high school on a random Saturday afternoon.
I also think school basketball courts will only show up in NBA All Stars. Let us know if you see one in Ingress, Pokemon Go, or Pikmin Bloom. Because I doubt we will.
@Seabound-ING@SeaprincessHNB-PGO was using the f word so for clarity I used the s word :)