Respected Niantic operator, it's unfair!
Krsecs20-PGO
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I was shocked to see one PokéStop being denied today. Because I was rejected for an absurd reason. The name of the rejected PokéStop is "Songdamchueotang", a restaurant that deserves to be called a local landmark.
The location is good, the picture quality is good, but what I don't understand is that it's a private residence and it interferes with emergency service operations. If you refuse, please give your opinion with appropriate grounds.The location is good, the picture quality is good, but what I don't understand is that it's a private residence and it interferes with emergency service operations. If you refuse, please give your opinion with appropriate grounds.
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I understand your frustration. However, it is well known that rejection reasons are sometimes inaccurate because Niantic doesn't do a very good job of picking out what they show reviewers. Probably the real rejection reason is "other rejection criteria", which means that reviewers didn't think your candidate met any of the acceptance criteria.
The location may be good, the picture quality may be good (but is that your finger in the bottom left?) but a good picture and location are not enough to qualify to be a wayspot. You have to show that the candidate is a great place to explore, a great place to be social, or a great place to exercise. The burden is on you as the submitter to convince reviewers that it meets at least one criterion.
@Hosette-ING I think I've done enough screening. With that said, I think I've explained why you need to register as a PokéStop. (At least a few candidates, including this one.) And as a submitter, I tried to do my part.
@Krsecs20-PGO Share your full submission so we can review it and see if we can find ways to help you improve it?
@Hosette-ING ok, see you next.
Beign from a different cultural background / and / or living in another country / continent, to me this just looks like some closed down washing center.
Tell me, tell us, tell your fellow contributors and reviewers from your country what is so special about "Songdamchueotang" ?
First, I think @Krsecs20-PGO needs to understand that they are not speaking directly to Niantic on this forum. We are other players, many of us with a lot of experience in our own areas about what is eligible and what is not. We have learned what information to use to convince people to accept. However, every culture is different and what is important to some people is considered boring to others. We are very interested in helping if we can see a translated version of the words and photos you used in both the main description and supplemental information.
According to Google search, it looks like a restaurant, possibly chain business.
@rodensteiner-ING It was aired on 7 domestic programs including MBC and Morning Wide.
@SeaprincessHNB-PGO Sometimes when I look at community posts, I see Niantic replying.. And I thought that this seemed like an overkill, but this is a place that sells mudfish dishes. It was aired on 7 domestic programs including MBC and Morning Wide.
@rodensteiner-ING But don't make disparaging remarks about local buildings. pretty unpleasant
@Krsecs20-PGO pretty unfriendly. your local landmarks outside seems that it needs some TLC.
You know what, that is really rude and uncalled for. What does the state or the looks of the landmarks outside have to do with anything Wayfarer related?
It's disappointing that the current system is so slanted toward making locals justify why something is worthy of being a stop. If locals find something historic and/or special, who am I or anyone else not from the area to say it isn't?
Both sides have different parts in the process. It is up to the submitter to convey the POI eligibility through evidence. It is up to the reviewer to check all evidence given in the nomination to rate them up to current criteria. There is a disconnect with verification (not providing context in the nomination for subs, criteria is misunderstood/outdated, or not checking evidences/speed reviewing for reviewers) and standard of being eligible in the reviewing process. Plus the criteria communication being poorly worded at times. It is rather disappointing to put in work in a submission only to be unfairly voted with little feedback to go from.
Having said that, what was in the texts for this nomination as submitted? Please understand @Krsecs20-PGO that the pool of reviewers that rated your nomination is from local players, most of the players active on this forum may have not seen your full nomination. The replies seem to also ask to provide proof that your claim is conveyed in the submission.
We want constructive discussion, not extreme criticism.
Finding a way to get your application approved is much more constructive than complaining about the reviewers.
If you reject (evaluate as disagreeing) the person who helped you, no one will help you.
What is the historical or cultural value of the shop?
Does the shop encourage exploration, socializing, and exercise?
Be able to present the value of objects to strangers.
@Xalatar-PGO One of the issues is that locals lie on a regular basis. For example, I recently encountered a submission of something that was titled "Corona Memorial" with the description "This memorial was put up in remembrance of neighbors lost since 2020". In actuality it's a neighborhood entrance sign and I could find it on Google street view from 2011.
I've seen all manner of fakes, some obvious and some more subtle. I've seen a mobile home park pitched as a historic orchard, a street sign described as a historic ranch, a fire hydrant described as sculpture, a parking sign presented as a walking trail, and all manner of ridiculous fictions. Submitters sprinkle terms like "historic", "artistic", and "local gem" into their submissions like they're magic incantations.
@PaulingZubat-PGO has it right. It's the submitter's job to present the evidence for why their submission is a good candidate. Reviewers have the job of evaluating and verifying the evidence that's presented.
Most of the time when people complain that their submission was unfairly rejected it turns out that they didn't make much of an effort to present the evidence for why their submission was high-quality, with the second most common cause being that it wasn't actually a good candidate.
@82quuu-PGO An extreme criticism? What can I say?
@Hosette-ING So you think I'm complaining without even trying? I can't understand Now I'm done.
@rodensteiner-ING Who was it that made me unfriendly?
@29andCounting-PGO It's a restaurant where people can gather, and it's famous.
Oh I believe you. I think someone was making rude remarks about how the building looked.
It's a selfish post that just spreads your dissatisfaction with the community and doesn't lead to constructive discussion.
It is neither an argument nor a communication.
No matter how much you shout, things won't go well.
You can't get more rice cakes by crying.
If you can't notice it, I wouldn't have anything to tell you.
@Krsecs20-PGO I didn't say you're complaining without trying.
Let me ask you a question, though. Did you create the initial post in order to get help, or did you create it in order to vent your frustrations? People are offering to help you here and it doesn't seem like you're interested in getting that help. If that's the case then we can all stop trying to help you.
@82quuu-PGO Ah, so it is. I have unfair things, but if it doesn't work out, I've uploaded it to see if I can get a little consolation, but it's just a cold answer. But I will fight against heartless circumstances. In any case, please refrain from such remarks as blaming the submitter. thank you.
@Hosette-ING It's embarrassing to try to intimidate you like this. Did I just try to express my dissatisfaction from the start? In fact, complaints were mixed, but it seems that you are misunderstanding. and It looks like it will take some time to calm down about this.
@Krsecs20-PGO That's why I asked what you were trying to accomplish by posting. If you'd like help there are plenty of people who can help... help you understand why it might have been rejected, help you improve the submission so you can try again.
If you just want to yell at clouds that's OK too.
@Krsecs20-PGO is it just my imagination or is there some things you say that get lost in translation?
I appreciate your comment and understand what you're saying, but honestly, why care if locals lie? Is there any harm in the fake waypoint? If yes, I'm sure the pristine process in place will have it removed in no time.
Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I'd rather see some fake waypoints get through over seeing real waypoints get denied.
I definitely think there's translation issues in this thread. Saying that the place looks like a "closed down washing center" should not have been taken as such a rude insult. I had similar thoughts that it looks like a laundromat. As someone from the US, it doesn't look like a famous restaurant to me. But I do understand that cultures vary widely. We have very little participation on this forum from Asia. This all just emphasizes how important LOCAL reviewers and LOCAL knowledge is in Wayfarer.
I fully support that - still nobody seems to care about doing just that at Niantic.