Private property
TibberX1909-PGO
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Hello, I have one nomination that gets rejected every time as private property. I tried several times now and wrote on the extra information that it is not on private property.. what can I do to prove it? I mean, there is a house nearby, but if you look at it you see an apartment building! Or maybe the house of Bill Gates?? I think nobody really reads the information or anything.. they look at the photo and reject instant in my area.. I lose all my upgrades to it and still have only one damn spot in my area…
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You claim it to be a protected heritage site but have no proof added into the supporting information, so it is very hard to believe it especially since it seems to be completely renovated. It looks more like they've built a random tower there than this thing indeed being protected and historical.
Old doesn't equal historical.
From your photo alone it seems likely to me that this isn't Private property in the Niantic sense, but it is not enough to be able to tell here on the forum with this alone.
Saying "we need this Pokéstop!" Is not a reason important to wayfarer, wayfarer ignores what game it could benefit, criteria is important instead.
To me, it seems ineligible as "Other Rejection Criteria":
-It's former generic infrastructure so no place interesting enough to explore
-It does not in any way promote excercise
-"Hey let's meet and go to the electrical tower!" - how likely is that? I'd say maybe to quickly meet up and then go somewhere else, but that's not what is meant with the socialising criteria, so that isn't fulfilled either
Your one and only chance would be to research why this is a protected site, and write about that rather than saying it's old and you want a Pokéstop
So a couple of things:
The buildings in the background appear to be semi-detached houses at first glance, and not apartments, and it looks like the tower is in the garden (and thus potentially private residential property).
The other thing is that you haven't specified what the tower is currently used as, only that it was formerly used as a transformer station. It's therefore possible, looking at the building, that reviewers may think it was converted into a residence itself. It would be an unusual shaped residence, but I've seen stranger houses than a former transformer station.
It's also more complicated by the lack of street view in Germany. You can't tell much from your two images and satellite view alone.
At the end of the day, we're encouraged to be cautious when it comes to reviewing things near or potentially on private residential property, so the burden is on you as the submitter to try to provide enough evidence that it doesn't meet the private residential property rejection criteria.
I've found it, this looks indeed more leaning to private property
https://maps.app.goo.gl/SwBkKiCoZkZZLGhc9
Thanks for the answers.
The question is, what makes an apartment building an apartment building? I mean.. 8 families live in there! When the house was built, the builder wanted to demolish the tower, but he was not allowed to do so basis of the monument protection. So he bought it and “covered” it in the same style as the house because he thought it would look better for potential tenants. It’s allowed this way. Now the facility manager stores his equipment in there.
The argument with “hey let’s meet there” or something like this..sorry.. but if this would be an argument I could never ever accept a Spot again and most of the big cities in the world would have only 5 Spots maybe.. no one ever said “hey let’s meet at the painted garage or at the cross on the field were Jesus is on..
On the other side, there should be a way for people from rural areas to get Spots more easy! Players with 100 spots directly in their street get even more garages or electric boxes so they can reach 8 spots and 3 arenas from their couch? And rural players have to walk or drive in the next city to spin one stop? Nice game then..
So many stupid stops exist in every city, minimum 70% of it less suitable than a listed tower.
The funniest thing is, I made 4 nominations in the village I work, just for testing. All 4 were accepted within maybe 1 week. But where I live, not even one nomination get accepted and all stuck in queue or in the voting for months.. maybe it’s all about the reviewers. Or maybe they are bots
I see there is a lot about wayfarer you don't know yet.
Firstly, you have to forget the idea that your game matters to wayfarer and that you deserve spots because there aren't any at your place - it's an AR tie in with real life stuff. If you don't have anything interesting in your area, you have to create it yourself within all legalities, for example painting electrical boxes. german Telekom has a form where you can ask for a permit, and then submit that. You can't make spots out of thin air.
The socialising criteria is one of the 3 big criteria - for an acceptance, only ONE of them has tobe fulfilled for an acceptance. The more the better. The examples you listed do not meet socialising criteria, but exploration. The 3 criteria are exploration, excercise and socialising, which you can find here: https://wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/new/help/acceptance-criteria
Again for the chance of acceptance you need to proof that it's a protected building and not just claim it.
These are lists of protected buildings in Frechen, your tower is not on it:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Baudenkm%C3%A4ler_in_Frechen
https://www.stadt-frechen.de/infrastruktur/denkmalschutz.php
The different speed can be caused by different sizes of S2 Cells (maybe you crossed one) or if another nomination nearby is already in voting
This bat house just down the street might be a better choice. I'm not a huge fan of animal houses being POI because I don't like the idea of gamers disturbing them but there appears to be a sign on the building.
@kawin240-ING This is so cool
"german Telekom has a form where you can ask for a permit, and then submit that"
After reviewing all these painted boxes, I really wish we could do the same in my country.
keep an eye out though, most painted boxes nominated in germany are stolen photos from the internet and fake wayspots. It's become so much that I can report multiple ones over help chat by just reviewing 10 nominations - one of them will be a fake box
best to do is decline any nomination where the supporting photo looks like someone tries to hide the surrounding area, and also every low resolution photos
reverse image search will be your friend
My tip: New photo of your tower from a different angle so the house can't be seen.
And yes, research. Tell us why it is landmarked, support with a link.
Leave out the plea for a stop, it can be a red flag for reviewers.
And finally, tell us what criteria you think the tower fulfills; exercise, exploration or socializing.
And finaly-finaly - save your upgrades for a different nomination. It doesn't make a differece on wheather it's accepted or not.
Good luck!
Eine Katasterkarte wird zeigen können ob das Landstück Privat ist oder nicht!
Thanks for the insight!
1.
As already described, old is not equal to historic or heritage building.
The NRW site denkmal.nrw does not know of any monuments there, but there are some in the area. Now I do not know exactly how reliably these data are maintained, but how likely is it that much was entered there, but not your tower?
https://denkmal.nrw/
Should it really be a listed building AND the tower does not have a corresponding plaque, as is common in some areas, then it will be difficult to prove it.
2.
Both the Wayspot image and the Google satellite images suggest that it is not, as you claim, a multi-family house ("Mehrfamilienhaus") but two semi-detached houses ("Doppelhaushälften"). However, these very well fall into the category of single-family house and thus private property.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/deQKZKfO5ic_Z8npM_f3WzYg72CjSUIVh7_TscZsDH1pexaNc2dhTcVraFYnh-uWd4-RlXGjYuk0qU69PopvEC9wVCG8iuJIjbGn5lol=s0
And the former transformer tower simply stands in the front yard.
This is confirmed not only by the pictures but also by a look at the real estate cadastre of the state of NRW: classic two house numbers for both semi-detached houses.
https://www.geoportal.nrw/?activetab=map&link_json=%7B%22basemap%22%3A%22topo_grau%22%2C%22extent%22%3A%7B%22xmin%22%3A343865.2304680613%2C%22ymin%22%3A5642442.07645714%2C%22xmax%22%3A344054.5315459238%2C%22ymax%22%3A5642559.120656702%7D%2C%22layer%22%3A%5B%7B%22id%22%3A%22adv_alkis_flurstuecke%22%7D%5D%7D
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You write that the stop meets all the criteria, what should they be? Can you explain them in more detail?
All together this sounds to me like a detailed variant for "I want my Pokestop!". And it will do that for many others as well.
Until you can better prove that the Wayspot is indeed a monument, you're unlikely to get positive feedback and should instead think about not clogging up the pipeline with this submission even more often. It has already come to the attention of the Wayfarer DACH community as a bad submission.
Yes but no.. you probably send a request and nothing happens for years. That’s the German way. So there will probably never a Wayspot
edit: and I am not good in painting
What happened to "Ordnung muss sein?"
That's why it takes so long sometimes
Pretty sure it's a lot faster than what OP is expecting though as during lockdown a bunch of people painted their boxes
Come on, you're telling us that there are not two but eight families living in this classic German semi-detached house? And that with the picture you submitted?
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/deQKZKfO5ic_Z8npM_f3WzYg72CjSUIVh7_TscZsDH1pexaNc2dhTcVraFYnh-uWd4-RlXGjYuk0qU69PopvEC9wVCG8iuJIjbGn5lol=s0
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"[...] so they can reach 8 spots and 3 arenas from their couch? And rural players have to walk or drive in the next city to spin one stop?"
don't you just mean
"[...] so they can reach 8 spots and 3 arenas from their couch? And I want to reach at least one from the couch as well."
Please stop telling us that 8 families live there and that the tower is a monument!