Opinion needed.
Fredwanzt-PGO
Posts: 18 ✭✭
Hi.
a nomination got rejected and i have no idea why. Please let me know your thought an this. I'll type my own opinion down below and a few explenation, but look on the picture by yourself first please.
Translation:
Rejektion cryteria: School, Private residence or farm
Description: The familiy that lived here was responible to operate the aligned mill. This old half-timbered building still embellish the Gmener Freiheit with its red-white front.
Map link: https://goo.gl/maps/KFRsgxoCNLt85gzP8
Personal thoughts: Honestly i don't see a differense in this building and a random painting on a house front, at least in rejection criteria. Its obviously not a scool, so i think some people got lazy there. But why is private residence a problem. Any random painting on a house front will be probably on a private residence, but people will accept it like 95% of the time. The only difference i see is you probably won't be able to reach the painting because there is garden or lawn in front. This building was build so you can walk threw... you are suposed to actualy be right below possible living space.
Beside that, in my opinion just by looking on this building you should see it has historical value. A half timbered building where you can walk threw is defenetly same worth exploring like a random painting.
What you can't see on a picture is the historical background. There is an information sign about this house close by, so i probably could send this in and it will be accepted instantly as well. but why should i show a boring sign if i can show the actual poi on the picture.
Pleas let me know what you think about this. should it be wayfarer spot or not. If not, please xplain why and why this is different to wall paintings on private propertys.
Comments
Hello and welcome @Fredwanzt-PGO
I like the picture and the building looks interesting
BUT
it is a golden rule that if it is a private single family residence then it must be rejected. If reviewers don’t they could be in trouble for not following the rule.
There is no flex in this, and it is also one of the few removal criteria if drawn to Niantic’s attention.
So I’m sorry but if it is a home you are best to leave it and move on to something else.
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You said in your description that a family lives there. Most of your reviewers probably stopped at that first sentence and rejected.
@The26thDoctor-PGO 😂
I understand the rule, but that doesn't explain why wall paintings on private residences are accepted. I honestly don't know if its private or owed by local goverment. But i know for sure its empty for a while now. Would it be accepted if i show there is no family name at the door bell?
Another idea would be using the same picture but making the spot about the tunnel. The tunnel is no living space and a public place, so it shouldn't break any rules. But that would be kind of lame to do so, even if the tunnel is interesting as well.
You may right, i intended to explain that it was the home from the mill family in the past, because the water mill is not in use anymore. But when i read my own sentence i think i didn't explained it well.
Hi,
The Private property ruling came about as a result of a legal settlement in the USA, but applies globally. It’s just one of those things we have to stick with. Any places that are accepted wayspots of paintings on the walls of a private single home shouldn’t have been approved and could get removed.
It could be hard to prove it is not in use as a home. It might be worth searching to see if there is anything in council documents to say the council purchased it. It looks well kept so someone or group must be responsible for its maintenance. Is there an official website for its historical significance.
I would start your description with the second sentence so the first information a reviewer reads is focused on what makes this special. Perhaps say in second sentence more about the the mill buildings - built as a mill managers house or something. It seems to be part of a historical area. Is there a group who can help with more info and a website to show its in public ownership and that it’s not used as a home. There are already quite a few wayspots in that area have you checked if this meets spacing rules.
There are informational signs that tell you the history about the mill and the building. But they don't tell you about current ownership. They are a good step away from the actual building and the mill because they are transparent glas signs with old pictures embeded to compare the old and the new view from a certain location. I already sended those in because some AMA answers said you can send in spots about the same thing twice if both spot can be concidered as a own thing. Because of the different location i thought its a good idea to send the actual poi in as well, which the signs tell you about.
If something gets accepted doesn't automatically mean that those types of nominations are eligible going forward. Loads of nominations get accepted wrongly, and a lot of nominations have been accepted in the past when the guidelines weren't as elaborate as they are now. Don't go by what is accepted, but go by the current criteria, which is listed in the Wayfarer help sections.
Paintings on walls of private houses shouldn't be accepted as well, and you should report those as 'private residential'.
Even if your nomination is historically significant, it wouldn't be eligible as it's a private house.