Gyms
The26thDoctor-PGO
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What is the general consensus on gyms, heath clubs etc?
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Have you submitted any and had them accepted or rejected?
The26thDoctor-PGO
Posts: 2,170 ✭✭✭✭✭
What is the general consensus on gyms, heath clubs etc?
Like this
Have you submitted any and had them accepted or rejected?
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It doesn't have tennis courts. I'm not sure why that picture shows them :/
I've had a couple of local gyms accepted, but also had one rejected for abuse twice (and another friend of mine also had it rejected twice). I would generally vote in favour of them.
Thanks.
That seems harsh. It seems reviewers either don't mind them or are very against them irrespective of criteria?
Well the first one I had accepted was a Niantic acceptance. The second was regular reviewers and went through first time. I do always make sure the clarification on them is linked to in my supporting statement as I know most reviewers don't come here.
I can't really explain the abuse rejections. It's literally a gym where people go to get fit 🤷♂️
Do you know where that clarification is?
I think that should be it, unless the recent archiving that's been done has messed up the link (speaking of which, thank you @NianticTintino-ING or whoever sorted out archiving all the old challenges and such, the forum looks much better now).
Thank you
I tend to rate gyms along the lines of restaurants: if it’s a chain, absolutely not; if it’s just a gym, then probably not; tell me a story about why it’s special, and now we’re getting somewhere.
Sport clubs I would consider an eligible nomination, almost always.
"A great place to exercise" is the criteria. "Just a gym" meets that criteria. I don't know why you'd rate "just gyms" poorly. Gyms are great places to exercise in bad weather. They also may have facilities for sports that public parks don't have, like racquetball or squash.
Gyms also provide a lot of people with a social environment. That may not be everyone's goal for using them, but I've known plenty of people who end up becoming friends with or even dating people they've met at the gym. It's a hobby like anything else and those who share it make social connections.
Gyms are very different from restaurants, though. Gyms meet one of the acceptance criteria - a great place to excercise - by definition, no matter what the ownership or branding is like.
Football fields, tennis clubs, squash clubs, basketball hoops, outdoor gyms etc. are accepted, even though most of the time there's literally nothing unique about them, they are exactly the same. But somehow gyms are supposed to be different.
The clarification that @HankWolfman-PGO posted is only just over a year old.
Give it until 2025 for reviewers to catch up.
“A great place to socialize” is the criteria. “Just a restaurant” meets that criteria. I don’t know why you’d rate “just a restaurant” poorly. Restaurants are great places to socialize in bad weather. They may also have facilities for socialization that other social places (churches, for example) don’t have, like bars or party rooms.
Restaurants also provide a lot of people with an explorational environment. That may not be everyone’s goal in going there, but they can try new food or drinks there, and sometimes McDonalds has play structures for kids, and we all know playgrounds are eligible. It’s a social destination for meeting people, that offers possibilities for new experiences every time you visit one.
…and that is why I rate gyms like restaurants. Because every argument for “gym” can be replaced with “restaurant” and it reads identically. Yet we all know that not every restaurant can be a POI; restaurants must be held to a higher standard.
The difference is that a gyms primary purpose is to be a great place to exercise, and a restaurants primary purpose is to be a great place to eat, not be social or explore. It can be, but it isn't garantied. That why restaurants are held to higher standards.
The primary purpose of both is to make money.
Gyms make money by having people excercise in them. That is their basic function. Again: exactly the same as every single tennis/ squash club, which are also for-profit places.
I understand, you want gyms not to be eligible because you're still holding onto the old "generic business" rejection reason. But you're objectively wrong here - criteria have changed, that rejection reason is mo more and Niantic have clarified this themselves.
My position has nothing to do with “generic business,” a guideline which was dropped before I started getting particularly active. My position has to do with:
As far as the Niantic clarification goes:
I think this is a classic area of different cultural contexts.
I suspect that what people mean by a gym varies. Yes there are big business that run gyms these are usually of a high quality standard long openning hours and a wide range of equipment activities. These often have relaxing areas to socialise in. There are far more small gyms variable quality, often not wide ranging in terms of equipment, often specialising in Particular activities.
So it’s the usual you need to make a case.
PS For me restaurants are great places to be social you don’t just eat you chat etc.
Not every Wayspot has to be something you would take someone to see.
Gyms are eligible under this criteria
A place you'd go to get some fresh air, stretch your legs, or exercise. Places that encourage walking, exercising, and enjoying public spaces. Or something that teaches or encourages us to be our healthiest selves.
Even in a very central part of London only 2 of the 10 gyms are chains.
I'm not entirely sure why you are so anti chain gyms. Have you been in one? They offer a huge variety of of ways to keep healthy and exercise.
“Restaurants are eligible under this criteria
‘A favorite gathering place for friends or strangers alike, where you can share a drink or meal, be entertained, or watch public life happen. Or something that draws us together to share an experience in a locally and culturally relevant way.’
Even in a very central part of London very few of the restaurants are chains.
I’m not sure why you are so anti chain restaurants. Have you been in one? They offer a huge variety of of ways to meet people and socialize.”
Why do you keep comparing restaurants to gyms?
I think I've seen this thread before and I didn't like the ending
Is this the question anymore, cuz what are we defending now?
I don't think there is any difference between gyms in different "cultural contexts". Typical gyms are exactly the same in the US, the Netherlands, Turkey, Austria and Hungary (this is my personal experience), and thanks to Wayfarer challenges, I've seen gyms in Brazil and Russia that looked like any gym I've seen. As far as I know, gyms are the most uniform businesses in the world.
I also don't know why you should "make a case" when gyms are by definition a great place to excercise. Exactly like football, tennis or basketball facilities, where nobody is out here claiming that you have to jump through hoops to provide definitive proof that your tennis court is unique and owned by a small family company. I mean sure, the nomination itself should be good (photos, description, location, etc), I just find it ridiculous that gyms are treated differently from every other excercise-related point of interest for some reason.
Tell me you’re not reading my comments without telling me you’re not reading my comments.
Who are you directing that toward?
The ending is fine ;)
NIce!