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I forgot to talk about other 2 common types of Wayspots here. I don't know if in other places they are as common as here, but in case they aren't I put them here:
These are a typical picnic tables, but we call it "merenderos". They can be made of concrete (like the photo one), wood or stones. They are normally in groups, but can be alone, and they are usually in parks.
2. Water fountains
These maybe are also common in other countries, but here we have one almost in every park, and we have a very variety of them. In the photo I show one that maybe is rare and difficult to recognize.
It will be hard to sell them to international reviewers.
The grey stick drinking fountains should not be accepted, me thinks. They are dime a dozen in Spain and have nothing interesting to them. There are some that are huge multi-faucet beasts adorned with metal lions or whatnot, those can be argued to be decorative/historical water features moonlighting as a drinking fountain.
I would expect the picnic tables to be submitted as a picnic area -I can see a second one in the background. These look very solid and permanent. And a picnic area is where you would be sociable - not straightforward without a sign, but as long as presented well I would have considered acceptable.
Simple water fountains I would think of as a reject. It’s a functional spot for the most part, fill a bottle and leave.
If the lower floor is store fronts, you shouldn't reject for PRP.
Most part of the water fountains in Spain, principally in big cities, are mass produced and shouldn't be accepted. They have multiple forms and shapes but they have 0 interest. There are others that are made of stone or they are historically important and they usually have any plaque or something with their name. That ones are interesting and they don't usually have any problem to be accepted.
Dialect is a wonderful thing - in my area, there's a fairly hard line dividing "Water Fountain" (a decorative water feature) from "Drinking Fountain" (hydration station) but in other areas the term "Water Fountain" covers both. These subtleties in definition have led to a lot of gradual slides into acceptance for formerly non-eligible items, such as the definition of "plaza" from "an open urban square, see 'piazza'" to "an open urban square OR a cluster of shops with a sign attached". I try to review each nomination in context, not falling back to "Niantic says that Water Fountains are eligible" but attempting to determine if the candidate meets Niantic's definition of a Water Fountain to start with, and going from there.
Well, to be fair, Niantic says a plaza as a cluster of shops with a sign is eligible.
Yep, in the distant past these "plazas" were not considered eligible (they were routinely rejected), but they have become so - originally, "Plaza" was an eligible candidate, but only the open-urban-space type was generally accepted by reviewers. As more people interpreted "plaza" to mean "st-rip mall or shopping mall" and submitted those candidates, I think Niantic took another look and said sure, it's a social space if it has a large number of shops - but never explained what that large number meant. Either way, I accept 'em usually if well presented, but it's the language and criteria shifts that interest me most. Now, we just need a good definition of what Niantic considers a "footbridge".....still waiting on that one. 😁
Going back to my first comment
Surprise! It's actually a gift shop with the old sign of the adjoining daycare center further inside a block of mansions in 2015. The stretch of mansions which now functions much like a mall plaza of sorts with leased/rented spaces. It isn't located in Spain but a Spanish-era heritage site.
Additionally, a more updated street view (2019) shows the space is now an inn with access to the 2nd floor. I put the older view because it will be the one featured if the old snap-to-streetview reviewing format is applied. No data if the daycare is still active but the iconography stayed.
And to add, most of these mansions are not technically PRP as early as 2015. Restoration efforts are moving these mansions either into funding via the tourism businesses or government acquisition.
I posted this for two reasons which became three:
I can see this review challenge failing due to the issue of context, it is why this street is not littered with wayspots already as well. I urge the winners of the challenge to improve familiarity with Wayfarer and how to convey the criteria, Nomination Improvement and the discord is there. And for non-locals to read what is provided first.
Foremost issue observed is the lack of mention where the POI is located. The other is claiming history when there is none written in the submission. I hope for an attempt of translation on both ends.
Much thanks @rodensteiner-ING @Elijustrying-ING @MegaTrainerRed-PGO for responding directly.
I think that this challenge will be a little bit hard regarding the PRP mentality. I don't think that any significative percentage of reviewers in Spain are trying to look up data about the boundaries of each property (except in order to remove a wayspot from an area controlled by the other faction), people just look at the building and it's usually easy to tell if it's a single family home or not.
I don't think that any Spanish reviewer would reject or even think for a second that something in that street can be PRP. The nomination might be valid or not for other reasons, but rejecting it due to PRP would be too weird.
Not so long ago in small villages it was usual to keep the doors open all day, you could go to your neighbor house, and then call them and enter without any issue. That mentality about keeping everyone away is not to what we're used to.
Wayfarer rules are really weird, a mural painted on a wall is a great nomination because that wall doesn't belong to a single family home. It might last one, two, three years and then it will be vandalized, painted over, weathered away... Meanwhile a historic shield, placed on a home some centuries ago and that will remain there long after all of us pass away is not valid. That family is proud of their history, that shield tell us what happened there long ago, but no, sorry, that's PRP.
And what about military zones? Those locations are blurred in the maps, there are **** soldiers protecting them, but if anyone manages to get a wayspot approved inside such zones Niantic won't remove it no matter what. The USA is the only place where they think that it's OK to place wayspots inside military zones, and at the same time they are so worried about someone walking on the street.
Welcome to the USA, the place where we censor a.r.m.e.d but people can easily buy any w.e.a.p.o.n and carry out a mass k.i.l.l.i.n.g in a school becuase of our liberty.
I'm curious about the take on drinking fountains? I see it's been quite a few discussions about them.
Just had the last one 😊
unless they have a quality that makes them less generic like artsy, historic, or whatever else
I see that, but it's a place to socialize isn't it?
I highly doubt that
No, they're a place to drink water. They may be located in places like parks that are great places to socialize, but that would mean that the park meets the acceptance criteria, not the drinking fountain in the park.
What do you do when coming across things like this? Maybe it should be in general discussion, but any feedback would be appreciated.