3rd Charged Nomination - First two marked Duplicate, third now rejected. Please help :(
avinujan-PGO
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Title: Coffee Gazebo
Description: Sip on a cup of hot coffee under the bright mint green gazebo marking the border where Brampton meets Vaughan.
Supporting Comment: This is a 5 STAR Gazebo nomination. This is NOT a duplicate nomination of the “Chalo Gazebo” across the street. Please see the accompanying picture which shows BOTH gazebos circled and clearly labelled. Please DO NOT mark this nomination as duplicate. You can also verify using Google Streetview.
Location: 43.784554, -79.658879
Streetview: https://goo.gl/maps/sVBnLKXazxLcsyQE8
What happened:
Due to the vicinity of another Wayspot named "Chalo Gazebo" across the street. The initial charged wayspot nomination was returned duplicate. The second charged wayspot nomination was also returned duplicate, because the photo used for the initial was applied to "Chalo Gazebo". I requested Niantic Support to remove the "Coffee Gazebo" photos from the "Chalo Gazebo" wayspot.
Now for this third charged nomination, I specifically uploaded a marked up supporting photo showing the two gazebos to ensure that it is not marked as duplicate. However, this time the rejection reason was "other rejection criteria and low quality photo".
I am looking for your help on how I can improve this nomination for the fourth time.
Primary Photo
Supporting Photo
Rejection e-mail
Comments
It looks like a stylized archway entrance instead of a gazebo to me.
Dude, that's the entrance to a Starbucks.
Your second photo is very good to show how the 2 things are different. But as others above have said, that is not a gazebo. Reviewers do not like when people submit things using "magic words" like gazebo which normally receive a 5 star vote but the thing isn't actually a gazebo. They consider that deceptive. Your own description encourages people to sip under it, but that thing is not big enough, nor is it designed to sit under. And no one is going to just stand there.
Call it a decorative arch. It will be mire of a 3 star candidate but the people who rejected for deception will most likely at keast give you those 3 stars instead of 1.
This looks like a structure the city designed to add flair to the area, especially since there is one across the street. I think it would be in that space even if the Starbucks decided to move. So as a "city beautification" architectural object, it's not a terrible candidate. See if the local city government website had a press release about when they built them. Or the city planning meeting notes from when they were proposed to be built. There would be some discussion on why the city was spending the money.
Though maybe it's part of the development, and not the city. That would be more difficult to track down.
You probably shouldn't be mentioning specific star ratings in your supporting info as that could be viewed as an attempt to influence voters.
But yeah, as others have said, this is not a gazebo. It's not eligible.
@SeaprincessHNB-PGO Thank you! I will use "decorative arch", and stress it is a "city beautification" architectural object.
I agree that 10 years from now, there may no longer be a Starbucks. However, this " decorative arch" will stay. I will remove reference to coffee.
I will continue to do research with the City of Brampton. I've already found information on their Development Design Guidelines, it appears they want all of their gazebos and landscape elements to have a "farmhouse/heritage" inspired appearance.
This same design style has been applied across the city. They have made reference to borrow design cues from nearby heritage sites like historical farmhouses, and in some cases they spell out specific names: "William Lefar Farmhouse" and "Patrick McClure Farmhouse".
I will spend more time, to put together a description that discusses the architecture, and its origins.
Is your feeling this wayspot should be eligible based on "exploration" merits more than the "social" due to its vicinity of the coffee shop? Or are both applicable?
If you are submitting the arch it may help to be conscious of the background and surrounding objects in your pictures.
I think they will be difficult to get accepted and a Starbucks, road signs, roads, cars etc in either of your pictures are not going to help.
@The26thDoctor-PGO I agree, the new primary image that I take can not show the Starbucks, roads or vehicles.
@HankWolfman-PGO I agree, I should not try to influence votes with mentioning of specific stars.
@SeaprincessHNB-PGO
I may have found the building that was used as inspiration for the decorative arch. What do you guys think?
Ebenezer Schoolhouse: https://www.brampton.ca/EN/Arts-Culture-Tourism/Cultural-Heritage/Pages/Ebenezer-Schoolhouse.aspx
Streetview: https://goo.gl/maps/z2pkEwKqPQgbKBib7
Majority of the gazebos in this area appear to have drawn inspiration from this heritage site.
Chalo Gazebo: https://goo.gl/maps/MVY48vdjYRrJDtkB7
Brunetta Gazebo: https://goo.gl/maps/mBzRzKsAXL95zp9K9
Minaker Gazebo: https://goo.gl/maps/SnuPwqBfTCWYeZzC9
Via Romano Gazebo: https://goo.gl/maps/xroWNCDuDs8nYp66A
How do you guys feel about this?
New Title: Ebenezer Schoolhouse Inspired Decorative Arch
New Description: This architectural structure built in 2014 for city beautification draws inspiration from the 1892 Heritage Ebenezer Schoolhouse. It is a tangible and well-preserved symbol of the history and development of the area, reflecting Brampton's history, with a particular nod to its rural legacy.
New Photo: Ensure that Starbucks references are not in the photograph, and the full focus of the picture is the decorative arch. Exclude any vehicles, roads, parking lots.
Sample Photo: Maintain the same picture showing both the arch and the gazebo across the street, relabel "coffee gazebo" to avoid duplicate wayspot rejection.
Supporting Description: Please do not mark this as duplicate, review the supporting photo this is not "Chalo Gazebo". Wayspot criteria this fulfills is exploration, where the design cues for the decorative arch are sourced from a nearby heritage building. Since 2003, the City of Brampton enforces Open Space Development Design Guidelines for new communities with full architectural control over the design of landscape features. This development's gateway landscape design features draw inspiration from the 1892 Ebenezer Schoolhouse: https://www.brampton.ca/EN/Arts-Culture-Tourism/Cultural-Heritage/Pages/Ebenezer-Schoolhouse.aspx
Thank you
@avinujan-PGO Your response is why I love Wayfarer so much! Look at all the research you've done into your local community. Other people pass this arch by and don't even think about it. But now when you look at it (whether you get it approved in the game or not), you will have background knowledge on why it looks the way it does. City planning is a big job. Streetscapes don't just happen. Someone plans them out - in many places they set guidelines like you've found to determine how things should look. It may be as simple as just picking streetlamps in a certain style or designating that all buildings in a certain area can only use a pre-selected set of paint colors, or even determining the font that has to be used on all signage. Sometimes those rules go overboard, sometimes they really add character to a place and make a city or village feel like a community or a destination.
I would say this meets the explore criteria. I don't think it's a super strong match for explore, but if you present enough detail, you can make the case. For the case to matter, you have to put some of what you discover into the description so that those who interact with this POI will benefit from your investigation. Don't put all of the information in supplemental where only the reviewers will see it. If you're saying it's a good place to explore, let gamers read something when they get to this thing.
Here's more reading on the subject. (If we're getting into technical terms, this isn't really an arch because it's not curved. But arch is the closest common language word to use that normal people would understand the function of this item.)
The little topper piece is called a cupola. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupola
The grid is called open latticework https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latticework. This item features open latticework in the pediment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pediment (more specifically the tympanum, but that's too technical).
OMG, a year's worth of History of Architecture at 8 am freshman year was NOT wasted!
@SeaprincessHNB-PGO
I am super grateful, I came here and thank you for pointing me in the right direction.
I wanted to get your thoughts on the architectural wording here, if it sounds correct especially the italicized portion referencing the structure itself. Although it is a little technical, I think it serves a free educational purpose and hopefully for others exploring it, to understand what exactly they're looking at... and the correct architectural terms for the features.
New Description:
Starting in 2003, the City of Brampton implemented full architectural control over the design of streetscapes. Where the design cues are sourced from nearby heritage buildings, allowing for a historically rooted aesthetic throughout the city.
In 2014, this decorative arch was constructed featuring a cupola atop an open latticework tympanum inside its pediment. This design drew direct inspiration from the 1892 Heritage Ebenezer Schoolhouse. Which is a tangible and well-preserved symbol of the history and development of the area, reflecting Brampton's history, with a particular nod to its rural legacy.
That is technically correct. Using tympanum may be a bit overkill because even when I worked in the industry it wasn't a term I ever heard used. Also I don't remember the description character limit. You may be close to going over that, or have gone over it. Be prepared to cull some words.
Description character limit is 512. I recommend starting with the first sentence of the second paragraph so reviewers find which object you refer to first. Third sentence, 2nd paragraph and 2nd sentence, 1st paragraph are conveying similar info, would rather tie the design cues information with the project in general. Cool research, that's def one way to make POIs more interesting.
@PaulingZubat-PGO thank you. Can you please advise what the character limit is on the supporting information seen by wayfarer reviewers?
@avinujan-PGO 212 on PC followed by ellipses but once the full text is opened, 3000 last I checked. No idea if 212 is the same on mobile reviews.
I think it should also be mentioned that for PoGO, the description edit limit is at 256 while Ingress has 512 too. In case, you want to add details for the other structures included in the project. Makes a good mission concept for Ingress as well.
If I had an auto accept button I'd press it just for your willingness, determination and curiosity.
Good luck!
I just want to first and foremost thank the Wayfarer Community. I learned a lot, and just wanted give you guys the good news that with your help the improved nomination was accepted.
I almost cried when I got the approval e-mail from Niantic.
Great news. Thanks for the update.
Happy Exploring
Well done! Great stuff :)
This is a great improvement! I'd like to quote this thread/nomination for future references if you don't mind, @avinujan-PGO .