Ungültige Wayspot wieder herhestellt
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Bei diesem Wayspot handelt es sich nicht um eine offizielle Infotafel, sondern um eine selbst gebastelte Wayspot Atrappe vom Ersteller um sich selbst daraus einen Standortvorteil in direktem Wohnumfeld zu verschaffen. In meinen Augen sind solche Wayspot Attrappen reiner Missbrauch und nicht förderlich für eine gesunde Community.
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🤣 lol - for me it looks as a legit and proper informational sign. The provided info is legit, the format is legit, the placing is legit.
Are members of ie NABU etcpp anymore allowed to set up information signs, is anything not placed by the state itself not legit anymore? Just be careful with historical buildings as well as those as well might have been set up by privateers or arts installations by mecenes..
So under the line i esp see this as a hubris comment out of a limited mindset lets say. It wont help anyone nor will it be feasable to install a mind police requesting the intention of who placed what where when it leads to something of - especially in common sense means - general worth
btw as i investigated the story now a bit deeper, who stole that one and replaced it a week later? Thats another stale detail of lets say mindsets which may need real worlds doctors help to not lead into severe legal conflicts by loosing a real life measure, caused by an addicted loss of a proper and sound event horizon one may perform stale actions - just saying..
Wayspot looks legit though, why should this not be not allowed?
Based on the give explanation rather looks like malicious/toxic intend to change the game board to personal liking ("Please remove that waypoint because someone can reach it from his couch"-Mentality)
Do I sense something of a whiff of a double standard in such an honorable player who always follows the rules and would never **** anyone?
I'm sure if you knew that your faction would use self-printed sheets in a frame as a home portal, you would have long ago started a push for a healthy community and created a Wayfarer entry. See e.g. Infotafel Bienenweidepflanzen https://intel.ingress.com/?pll=52.930569%2C8.642386
How about all those informational signs that are put up by clubs and they also just buy those signs in stores, aren't those real waypoints? So a farmer putting up a sign about field edge strips on his field or a sign informing about his biogas plant is someone poisoning the community?
I really have to laugh because the only reason to put up that sign along with the residents of the road was not to gain a locational advantage, but to see you two-faced wannabe ***** agents try to get that waypoint taken away again because it's not in your hood.
PS ..and just to clarify the funfact, that portal is by far not in reach of any couch.
This is one of those threads that make Niantic's developers question their decision to create Ingress in the first place.
First of all, the nabu would not put the sign where you have to cross farmland. It would be next to a path. By placing it this way you have to walk across a grass fiels. Possible consequences are, especially during breeding season, to divide mother and their offspring of deer or rabbits. destroying ground nests of birds, and other things. Why do you think people are posting signs to not leave the made paths when in Nature?
Second, farmers normally don't like it when people are trampeling on their farmland (you can clearly see on the sattelite images that it is used for making hay) and if they see such signs they probably will take it down.
Third, such signs are normally put up where some signs of a certain type are placed along a path for educational purpose, not a single one on the last corner of a Field.
Fourth, citys or villages which are putting up those signs are normally advertising such thing on their pages. In this case there is nothing to find.
A normal Person will never see this sign because it is not on a human made path. Only players of a wayfarer game will be able to find it. and trample on farmer fields. which this year is hay land next year maybe for corn or grain. then you wont be able to see it from the far away path.
My questions are:
It may be there but the position is clearly showing tha mal intent this was made up with. Put it close to the path and it would be way more legit, put up more of the signs that belog together (normally there is more than one belonging to a Series) Ask the people using the farmland if its ok to put them there, ask the city if its ok. this self proclaming of wayspots is taking it Way to far.
And for the Portal mentioned by Gammelfleisch, "Infotafel Bienenweidepflanzen", the Person having this sign in his frontyard is a beekeeper, and if you closely look at the picture you can even see the selling cabinet in the background at the right side of that picture. The honey is pure and unfiltered Honey which is pretty good. But hey a Beekeeper putting it up directly at the street next to a selling cabinet of self harvested Honey is the same as a bought up piece put on a broomstick somewhere far away of manmade paths in the last corner of a Field.
I agree with the accessible part - a wayspot should have a safe way to access it as a pedestrian.
I must admit I haven't checked the satellite view within my first answer, but the explanation of OP has not mentioned it being not accessible, therefore i assumed it's not a thing in this case. That's why also assumed a kinda Couch Portal Situation.
I'm not quite sure if I agree with the part of not being permanent enough. I think it's hard to exactly guess how sustainable it is just by the looks of it and while reviewing I might also have given it the benefit of the doubt.
Talking generally I see nothing wrong in motivating the local community to create wayspot worthy things like nature information signs, art or whatever you can think of - even if the thought behind it is that it will also be represented as wayspot.
I see no problem as long as its done the right way. Accessible (close to a path) and it has to be ok with the coty and in this case the farmers. I can assume at least some of this not beeing done in this case. And in this case the irony is, you would walk acroos a field or through the not farmed area between the fields and all the animals there will go haywire, and all of that for a sign that is ment to educate and not do this.
Guten Abend zusammen, liebe blaue und grüne Gemeinde.
Ich habe die Wayfarer Regeln so verstanden, daß man Interesante Wayspots findedt und sich nicht selber welche erschafft, diese dann als Wayspot dem Spiel zufügt. Dabei noch abseits jeglicher Wege und in unmittelbarer Nähe der Häuslichen Umgebung des Erbauers und gestalters dieses Portals.
Ist nicht ein Kriterium die Erreichbarkeit eines Wayspot?
Betritt keine Privatgrundstücke / Privatflächen?
Wenn dieses nicht über einen öffentlichen Weg, sondern über die Agrarfläche eines Landwirts führt, wo die Eigentümerliegenschaften sicherlich im Grundbuchamt niedergelegt sind, sehe ich die beiden oben genannten Kriterien als nicht erfüllt.
Liebe Grüße an die Agenten die sich hier so redlich bemühen.
Fair Play.
The funny thing about this discussion is that if I had submitted this to myself, the ENL would be up in arms and demand that my account be banned immediately.
So you are saying that this sign was purposefully set up just to stir up discord, did I get this right?
This means it's not actually an informational sign, but a try to bully other players and call them 'Stasi agents'?
Let me precisely quote that section of your post:
I really have to laugh because the only reason to put up that sign along with the residents of the road was not to gain a locational advantage, but to see you two-faced wannabe Stasi agents try to get that waypoint taken away again because it's not in your hood.
You might want to review the agent protocol.
Wie sich hier gerade heraus Kristallisiert, steht der Kulturelle Wert dieser Lehrtafel völlig im Hintergrund.
Wie kommt man auf den Gedanken einen Wegepunkt zu erstellen, diesen ins Spiel einzubinden, um die Reaktionen anderer Agenten abzuwarten und dieses sogar mit Finanziellen Aufwand in die Tat umzusetzen?
Das übersteigt wirklich meinen kühnsten Phantasien und macht mich gerade nahezu sprachlos.
Mit der Aussage von Gammelfleisch, "zweigesichtigen Möchtegern-Stasi-Agenten" fühle ich mich persönlich auch angegriffen. Letztendlich habe ich dieses Thema geöffnet, um die Kriterien eines selbst erbauten Wegepunkts sachlich zu hinterfragen und nicht mich oder andere Agenten beleidigen zu lassen.
Bitte überprüfen Sie die Würdigkeit dieses Agenten, weiterhin dem System beizutreten zu dürfen.
It might have something to do with the toxicity, that a certain number of players in that region bring to the Ingress community. Since you all know what I am talking about, I will not elaborate.
After all that shouldn't matter since the wayfarer is independent from whatever games use that database. The toxicity which comes from the games should not have a place in wayfarer discussions.
For some reason my previous comment disappeared (?), but I agree with @Macerick82-ING. If you have to access (private) Farmland it's not a wayspot that should be in the database as it does not meet the requirements for a waypoint.
Lets just laugh a bit more.... 😂
Guys, its hilarious how 'smart' you are..
In general it might be as well necessary to merge this thread with its belonging one here:
As far as most within these pretty game centered views, meanings, false implications or even intentionally placed misinformations one can read as a comic already we should not completely dismiss the major real world aspects here.
It is simply illegal to tamper with other peoples goods. It is illegal to damage, to dig out and especially to steal them.
People who feel they must act in illegal ways, basically no matter why, need a doctors help.
Furthermore when those even can not understand later what they did wrong but even feel they have to publically proove a fraud because of a whatever reason need medical help.
Even worse this becomes when their aligned own community is unable to help them but just ignores the issue or even better argues in a way to justify illegal actions.
Guys, seek a doctors help - this is so unbelievable sick what you present to the public that any normal could ever believe this happens.
The stalest part and cream topping for me here is the peculiar funfact that a very close agent of those commenting here is an active in duty police officer whomy at least professional duty should have been to act and at least advise those needing medical help to stop and not esp publish illegal actions as well as advising the others to act moderating and not pushing those mentioned even forward in wording..
Really make your minds guys this really is an unbelievable case esp for normals which live around us forming a so called real life environment
Besagtes Gebiet im OpenStreetMap Base Layer.
Hier deutlich abseits der in Osm hinterlegten Stichwege.
Pls keep it real, one of your lines you have drawn there is even a Water drainage channel, and the other ones you have drawn as "paths" are hedges for animals to live in not paths in any way. (the one on the lower left is the only real one)
If you would know anything about nature, or how to behave in it you would not start to defend such actions. Those hedges are for the animals so they have a place to survive in the world we created, not for people like ingress players or any other gameplayers to wander around there and disturb them in the last refuges they have left in this world where we destroyed most of ther living area by using it as farmland.
This "i want a portal so i create it and place it where normally nobody should be" or "hey i want a portal and i put a photo there that isnt there" has to stop. The resulting behavior of people is damaging the reputation of such games, like the start of pokemon did in other places. (concentration camps or for example the cologne cathedral) Niantic had to remove the poi there because of player behavior. some of those poi where several years old.
Is this really the standard of you telling people that they need psycig help or calling them "smart", aren't you able to argue with real facts and be objectiv?
The question really comming up here is "should niantic make up guidelines for selfmade portals in free nature far of man made paths?" What about the whole situation of faking and making cheap portals because somebody wants to farm from their couch or easily with a car? What about placing those made portals where normally nobody should walk around and not disturb animal life?
There are really enough portals that can be used. Real ones that are placed where people are anyways. where citys created educational trecks, where historical events took place, where children are playing anyways, why go into the last bits of nature that belongs to the nature and start taking this over also. Nature ist hurt enough, and thats what the NABU which you mentioned before wants, they want to preserve as much nature as possible, not destroy it by getting people in every corner and trampeling everywhere.
As i said before i have nothing agains made portals, but they have to be approved by certain people and have to meet a certain standard. Talk to the city where you can place signs like this, where it is ok and not disturbing other things. talk to the farmers if it is ok, and pls dont just place one sign, make it an educational path, collect some money make the poles sturdy so they can survive weather for some time and get more of those.
Hello,
Ever been there? Well, I know the path. So this is a false claim that is being made.
Furthermore, you regularly use a self-made board. This board also stands in the middle of a new development area where there are no bees.
Your efforts are only in the interest because an ENL player has his home zone there.
Otherwise, it should also be in your interest to remove the board Bienenweidenplanzen.
At the same time you support the vandalism that the agent Skaldor has documented in a photo series. Just like the motto: I don't like the portal, so I'll break it.
That is always the double standard in your group.
Liebe Kollegen, ich hatte dieses Thema hier geöffnet um zu hinterfragen ob eine Infotafel am Besenstiel als Poi den Regeln und Kriterien erfüllt?
Fazit: Eine Infotafel am Besenstiel scheint legetim zu sein, solange nicht auf privat Grund und ohne Umwelt bzw. sich selbst oder andere zu gefährden erreichbar. Unter "andere" versteht sich natürlich auch Tiere und Pflanzen die nicht gestört oder zerstört werden dürfen.
Kann mir gut vorstellen, daß ein Schild am Stiel zu eine Art Mode werden könnte... Bitte für mehrere Jahre haltbar und in unmittelbarer Nähe eines befestigten öffentlichen Weges und nicht bei irgendwelchen Trampelpfaden die durch Wiesen, Wälder und Hecken führen. So viel Respekt gegenüber der Natur sollten wir in dieser Community haben und auch beweisen.
Glaube wir konnten hier die Bewertungskriterien zum tierischen Heckenbewohner mal gut hinterfragen und auch zu einen Abschluss kommen.
Bedanke mich für die rege Beteiligung und wünsche allen viel Spaß am Spiel.
Liebe Grüße Thomas und Fair Play.