Why are there PokeStops or Wayfarer Stops accepted but not placed in the game?
Untonium-PGO
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Recently, PokeStops were accepted but I've waiting for several days, even weeks to see them in Pokemon GO and Stops still don't appear...
Does anyone know what is happening?
Answers
See S2 cells for PoGO
But what's the point of me requesting a Wayspot from PokemonGO and then placing it in Ingress...
If I'm requesting it from Pokemon GO, it should be placed there first...
It is not useful for me as a player to be placed in another game...
You’re nominating a Wayspot which may go into Pokémon GO/Ingress if it meets their inclusion rules.
If it doesn’t, it stays in the “pantry” of the database for future games to pull from if they want to.
The player's incentive is to add more objects to the game they play (you and most players) or the enjoyment of submitting/reviewing stuff, the system's incentive is to add objects to their database with less cost incurred. From that announcement, could be assumed that the Wayfarer team isn't the decision maker on what inclusion rules are used per game.
If you only want to add more game objects, you have to walk with the inclusion rules in addition to the criteria.
When PoGO first launched, every single Pokestop and Gym came from Ingress. The people who submitted these Portals (with the exception of imports) probably didn't care about other games either, but here we are. Think of this as returning the favor
Yes that's right, but they got these Portals even if they were moved on PoGO. Imagine Ingress's Players request Portals and they are placed in PoGO but not Ingress... That's the point
The cell rules which determine what can become a pokestop and what cannot is fairly well known and not likely to change. Instead of spending time being upset, spend time learning the cells so that this doesn’t happen to you again.
That can happen now too.
If the new Wayspot is within 20m of an existing Portal, but in a different cell (previously unoccupied), it becomes a PokéStop but not a Portal.
Seen it a few times, so this point falls apart.
Speaking as a player, I find stupid that if something is requested from one game it has repercussions in a different one... What company does that? Meaningless... If you see it is coherent that the pokestops are determinated in part by Ingress's cells, then alright...
You must also know how to accept criticism and not respond to the player with "Stop getting angry". It gives the impression that you have no arguments to base yourself on... It seems perfect to me...
I won't write in this thread anymore... I can see you don't want a discussion....
I didn’t mean to make you feel bad I was just pointing out that there are rules for what becomes a pokestop. They haven’t changed since the game came out so I don’t think they’re going to change. There’s really isn’t anything to discuss. Yes, it makes many people angry. That’s why the ambassadors finally convinced Niantic to make an announcement at the top of the forum about why some things don’t become pokestops.
They’re not “Ingress’ cells”, nor are they Niantic’s. I believe Google come up with the concept of splitting up the globe this way but do correct me if I’m wrong.
The language that you’re submitting a “new PokéStop” or “new Portal” would be better being changed to “new Wayspot” but maybe that would break immersion.
Yes it was a Google Engineer
Just one question, if it is determinated in that way... Why are there WaySpots next to each other closely? It does not contradict the "rule" of the cells? You know what i mean?
Although I'm sorry you found the responses upsetting, please also realize that this same topic has been discussed many, many times on this Forum already and answered by these experienced Wayfarer users each time. There's a pinned post from Niantic that answers many of your questions, but these members supply additional information that many find useful.
Yes good question. Each cell is roughly a square. You can place two pokestops right next to each other if the cell line separates them. Now imagine the place where four squares come together. You could put four pokestops in each square right next to each other and it still follows the rules.
So long as the 2 wayspots are located on different L17s according to the coordinates, they would appear in PoGO now. It used to have an additional 20m rule back when Lightship was not the database. Some shenanigans do break the inclusion rules sometimes, abusive manipulations and spooky syncs.
Speaking as a player, I find stupid that if something is requested from one game it has repercussions in a different one... What company does that?They're building a database (Lightship, not Ingress) from their user submissions. For an AR company's perspective, a single database that they can pick and pluck objects from for every product they'd make is efficient.
Best to learn which inclusion rules are used in the game of choice to satisfy your goal.
@Untonium-PGO
The source of all this confusion and hence frustration, is squarely due to Niantic’s lack of ability to communicate in a way that is clear and transparent.
The language used in Pokémon Go leads Go players to believe they are simply submitting a request for a pokestop. It is entirely understandable that you become frustrated when that doesn’t happen and you start to uncover an entirely different picture.
The reality is that you are submitting something might become a pokestop and there are several stages and your submission needs to pass through all of them before it is in the game.
The first step is review of your submission to see if it meets the acceptability criteria.
Once your submission is approved, it is accepted into the Lightship database as a wayspot- this holds all approved wayspots and is separate from all Niantic games.
That is the end point of wayfarer, and what happens next is not related to wayfarer.
Each game sets its own rules as to what it will take from the database to use in that particular game.
For Pokémon Go the rules revolve around the use of some mapping software commonly referred to as S2 cells it breaks down the surface into smaller and smaller cells - each size is referred to as level and a number.
Google: S2 cells and Pokémon Go - Pokémongohub has a very good explanation.
The key is that in PoGo it only accepts 1 wayspot in each Level 17 cell, so if there is already a pokestop or gym in the game in that cell, yours will not be selected to enter Pokémon Go.
For Ingress the rule is a 20m distance between wayspots.
Each day (usually) each game links with the database to exchange information. If a new wayspot meets that games rules it will selected and imported into that game. Anything not selected stays in the database.
it’s not helpful that you get an email confirming acceptance as a wayspot, but no email to let you know if it has been selected for use in the game you submitted it through.
To avoid the disappointment of your submission not appearing the best tactic is to learn all the rules and plan submissions. It is a tortuous journey that most of those in here have been through. But once you get the hang of it all you get the satisfaction of seeing your content in the game.
I hope this all helps.
there just being lazy. It is one thing when there is a lot of stops/gyms in one area and they do not want more but seriously I have had over 10 excepted and all never shown up. Some where in areas with no stops/gyms.
Hello, I also have two accepted wayspots but they are not listed yet, can you check it in my contributions?
What are the names and locations of them?
Did you read this, firstly and the email you got?
Hello and welcome @hugomanxx-PGO
in addition to the above
Your approved wayspots first get added to the Lightship database.
Each individual game decides on specific rules as to how it will select wayspots to use from that database.
For Pokémon Go the rules revolve around the use of some mapping software commonly referred to as S2 cells it breaks down the surface into smaller and smaller cells - each size is referred to as level and a number.
Google S2 cells and Pokémon Go - Pokémongohub has a very good explanation.
If you provide the location (co ordinates are good) and the title of the wayspot we can check.
All the new people in this thread need to understand that you're not communicating with Niantic. We are just other players like yourself. We have put time and effort into learning how the system works for all the games. We can share that knowledge with you but we can't make any changes to how it works. Nor can we access your accounts to see what you've submitted. Arguing with us about the rules is a waste of everyone's time because we are just as powerless as you to change anything.
Pokemon GO has used the same cell rules for 7 years. For them to change now would be a monumental programming change. They won't make that kind of decision based on a few random comments from players on a community forum that they don't even know exists. (This is the Wayfarer forum.)