Private area or non-private area vagueness
Neoseanner-ING
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Hello , i've been attacked by a specific ingress agent since i'm submitting a lot of permanent display around my office building , which a lot of people may enter or exit , with or without permission on some location. It's still accessible by normal pedestrian or visitors. The bad thing is he encouraged other people to reject my specific place ( so i need to submit several times to be accepted by community ).
The question is , how "private" is the area is really vague , clearly the place is available for public visit , but it's still private / closed on several spots of the area? I even slightly move the wayspots a little bit from the original place so that public zones still be able to access the wayspot , even with ingress which have the smaller access radius compared with pokemon go. Thank you very much.
( also please tell me if i can report this specific agent )
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There is no such thing as private area as rejection criteria. A rejection criteria is private residential property, not private property. So murals on office buildings could qualify, a mural on an appartment block could qualify, a mural on a wall of a single house is a rejection.
A statue in front of an office building could qualify. A statue in the garden of a house is a rejection.
However, in case of private property, the property owner can ask for removal of items, but I guess the other person is not the property owner, or a representative of it.
also you're not supposed to submit or move stuff away from the nominated object even if it eases access to outsiders.
If you know their agent name, you can report this with the new abuse form: Reporting Abuse in Wayfarer — Wayfarer Help Center (helpshift.com)
I would recommend that one over a forum post so you're be identifiable to the potential abuser. In this case probably too late though.
Okay , so this person is not even in my current location , even he plays too far ( different island , but still the same country, indonesia ) from my current location, and he "just assuming" that it's private and temporary. Also thank you for clarifying that the criteria is "Residence or Farm" only , while my nomination mostly on office building. It's not like a private office or private institute like Pentagon or something, but still annoying for him. I reported this person but it seems that niantic does not respond for like 2 weeks.
Tinggal report akunnya mas. Ngapain repot-repot.
kalau emang waypoint susah dimasuki, ngapain juga disubmit. thread starter playing victim aja. ditegur bukannya introspeksi
Nah muncul jg kang report-nya. Gk takut kena bully-an pemain pogo?
Saya sih, dah pernah ngerasain.
tukang report? maksudnya apa?
Hi , as an ingress player i might disagree in this statement , pokemon go player most likely to move away wayspots , but would be happy if more wayspot is created. In fact OmAndy is not the main culprit here , but the other player. I've already reported the player and seems that niantic staffs are pretty busy at this time. Ingress player is in fact most likely to be more toxic since the creation of new wayspots might disturb links or control field if you want to establish a very large chunk of control field ( either the country covering or ocean covering ). While i didn't really have much place to play because my office had a very few wayspots , and things most likely far away from the urban area ( road from my living place to my office is suburban ) , and since my office is a movie studio , i am surprised that a lot of permanent establishment here does not get wayspots. Of course you may assume that most of the things here are temporary installation since movie making is most likely to assemble/disassemble things for a film recording , but of course I won't submit a temporary properties or installation ( If i want to , there's more than much here ). People with common sense should consider this rather than making news up and then blaming others for the "mistake" .
Also want to mention that being pokemon go player and being ingress player does not mean they were more toxic or not , because the strategy of the gameplay is different. Pokemon go player might be mad if the wayspot got rejected because less farming spot , and the Ingress player might be mad if the place is inaccessible by many because it might disturb links or fields. I believe the decission of adding wayspot have their pros and cons of any game or whatever. At least the things i submit mostly do met criterias and the clarification of "private residence or farm" is clear here. By the acceptance of the community ( and the rejection of few ) of the wayspots here i believe it benefits more than few ( especially big benefit for pokemon trainers ).
Even the Ingress community of my current location is more than happy because Batam have pretty few wayspot around far areas, while i am making some of them along the way and a lot of them on around my office , they don't mind.
saya juga kang report. ditunggu bully-an bocah pogonya ya 🙏
The question is: can the place access by ANYONE in all time and date? IF not 24/7 like Dufan, and need to pay a ticket, the place is still eligible. BUT if other people can access in limited date like only open for public for 4 Months or 6 Months I think it's not include to eligible place to add Wayspot.
That is not correct. As long as it can be accessed by some people some time, it is eligible. The only rule is based on single family residential property. And if it cannot be accessed by anyone at any time, ever.
Haaii ada bocil teriak bocil nih curhat disini, takut hilang yaa portalnya?
Then, if it can't be access by other people (only can be access by the worker that work in the place) it's not part of private property? You know the meaning of private property right? Ah, okay i can submit inside factory then 🤣🤣🤣
Private property is fine so log as it isn't single family private residential.
Tolong jangan memperkeruh suasana di sini.
Terus??
Private property is not a reason to reject. Sorry, but your understanding is wrong. The restriction is on "single family property." Shopping malls, Disney World, and other theme parks are all private property. If something is placed inside a manufacturing floor in a factory, they might not have safe pedestrian access. The property owner could certainly ask for the POI to be removed for any reason.
I just voiced my opinion. Because you defend it so much, it tickles me to research. And look what I have found.
I won’t report your POI, but it is clear as day, others may report it as not eligible. Your POI doesn’t encourage anything. It doesn’t encourage exploration due to private area, it doesn’t encourage physical activity and socializing with others; summary, it doesn’t need to be exist at all.
Before you are trying to blame other and try to label others as toxic, I advise you to stop playing victim in this forum and try to report other agent as abusive due to your mistake.
Are you trying to say that a movie studio tour is not a good POI? That is wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. A movie studio tour sounds like an amazing POI. There are probably a lot of POI that could be added along the tour as well. The issue here is whether the POI are correctly located. But there's nothing about a movie studio that makes the location ineligible, especially one that offers tours. Even if the tours are only given a few times a year (not all year), that is fine - the POI is still eligible.
Hello
Can I remind everyone that this is an area for discussion and there will different opinions. But everyone needs to treat each other with respect. So please consider what you are posting and if you have made personal comments about someone consider editing your post to make it compliant with the forum guidelines.
then, if it only "one family" that you think that not included, is it part of a great place for exploration criteria? (How can you explore the wayspot IF you can't go to the wayspot itself?) Or maybe a great place to exercise? (Can you exercise in the wayspot IF you can't access it?) Or the last one, is it a grear place to be social with other? (Again, how you can be social with other IF you can't access it even in the weekend, weekday and holiday?)
There is a language barrier here but I'm trying to understand your questions.
Think about this: The absolute best places that Niantic wants us to play in are parks. In Pokemon GO, parks get special designation to be nests and gyms get EX tags to host special raids. Niantic clearly favors parks - they want us to play in those places.
Parks have hours when they are closed. Near me, parks close at dark. Some close at 10 pm. Do you think parks are ineligible because we can't gather or exercise 24 hours a day? That's clearly not true. There are some National Parks (great places to explore) that close for winter because the snow gets too deep and roads become treacherous. Those are still amazing POI. National Parks are full of things that make great POI.
Your logic that a place can't be a POI unless it is ALWAYS open is wrong. I'd estimate that over 90% of POI are closed during some part of the day.
@GurameBakar-ING A great place to explore doesn't have to be a great place for everyone to explore... there is no expectation that every wayspot is accessible to everyone who plays any Niantic game. Many of the greatest places that I have explored because of Niantic games have had limited access-- they were snowed in during the winter, they required paid admission to a park, they were only accessible via scheduled tours (e.g. lighthouses along the California coast), they didn't have cell signal. There's a particularly cool one that I will go to someday because of its historical value, and it is only open to the public two days per year.
Less interesting ones, like closed corporate campuses, gated apartment complexes, and gated neighborhoods all can have things in them that are eligible. That is allowed.
Sudah dijelasin tuh, ada yg masih belom dimengerti?
Intinya, POI apapun di dalam lokasi privat/lokasi dgn akses terbatas masih dianggap eligible selama memenuhi kriteria lainnya; mural atau grafiti di samping tembok rumah yg justru gk eligible karena memenuhi alasan PRP, maupun bisa diakses siapa aja.
Mending masnya report mural samping tembok rumah org aja deh.
Coba dibaca lagi aja 3 kriteria. Kalo ga ngerti bahasa inggris nanti gue transletin deh buat lu. Mau?
Yeah I know, if it not open 24/7 it's fine. The problem is the place that we discuss here is only open just for 4 months every year. it means, the other 8 months the area can't be access by other people unless someone who work in the area. my POI is clear, i already mention DUFAN above. it's not open 24/7. only from 10 AM - 8 PM, but it is eligible because everyday public can access the place even they need to pay the ticket. But, for the place that neoseanner discuss in this thread is different. it only open for 4 months for public.
Then explain "A great place to explore" IF the wayspot inside the factory. How it is become "A Great Place to Explore"?
Is it something that an employee would go to view and contemplate?
Is it something that a visitor would go to view and contemplate when they arrive at the facility?
Is it something that the company would showoff to a visitor if they were giving that visitor a tour of their facility and discussing its significance?
All of those things are exploration.
So which one is the issue: being attacked by a specific agent or the unclear definition of the non private properties? The number one is a whole new another issue because you also need to prove the allegation. But the second one should be clear as many already explained. But let me remind you that it is within the Niantic's concern to encourage a safe gaming experience, even tho they let the player itself to judge whenever it is okay to access those areas as explained here: https://niantic.helpshift.com/hc/en/6-pokemon-go/faq/114-safety-faqs/
Now i have personal question to ask you: do you think the current waypoints in your suggested location is not sufficient enough?