Waypoints being removed like crazy
EpicEgon-PGO
Posts: 18 ✭✭
In our city somebody is removing waypoints like crazy. They are all legit waypoints. Why is Niantic not checking these kind of habits? It is probably some sour Ingress player that is having problems to "win" the game.
People have used there hard earned upgrades to get those legit waypoints.
This needs to stop!
Why should I even bother reviewing waypoint when there are so many people rejecting fair legit stops for bs reasons (yes, I have those problems) or reporting them for bs reasons. I also can't get a fair rating.
Tagged:
Comments
Niantic only removes Wayspots if they meet one of the removal criteria or if it was accepted through an abusive process (as we have seen in the Netherlands). The removal criteria are as follows:
If you are unsure if a set of Wayspots meets the removal criteria, you can post examples here. If the Wayspots do not meet the above criteria, you can make an appeal by posting to the Invalid Wayspot Appeals forum using the template at the top of the "New Discussion" page.
Which city are you in, out of curiosity?
I am from Almere, The Netherlands
None of the criteria you state goes for all the stops ... I am not talking about 2 or 3 stops ... I am talking 40 or 50 stops, maybe even more if I go off our local pogo community
If those are the painted tile on sidewalks, those were removed due to abuse in that they were purposely created and strategically placed in order to create a bunch of Pokestops.
I dunno exactly what all the stops where but the ones I know where none of those. But you state that all tiles are used for abuse wich is totally wrong. We have workshops for those and have permission from the city to place them to make our city more vibrant. 95% of those tiles are not places by pogo players. There will agree that these is abuse but Niantic keeps using there spaghetti coding and failing wayfarer method.
PoGo players have a totally goal with waypoints then Ingress or other Niantic game and therefore should not use the same waypoint system. A extra waypoint is a plus for a pogo player but can be a strategic fail for a Ingress player. I know salty Ingress players will report waypoint for that with bs reasons
There has been widespread abuse in the Netherlands and surrounding areas when it comes to Wayfarer. Niantic have been investigating this a lot and have removed over 1000 wayspots so far that were deemed to have been in some way part of this abuse.
What kind of abuse are you talking about?
This thread:
For instance, this post is mentioning a number of waypoints that could be considered abuse
And in that topic Almere came by more often.
This topic, and for instance, this post:
https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/comment/219625#Comment_219625
Thx for that info ... Now I know it is one of our own community 🤬🤬🤬 ... All these stops that galeongirl-PGO posted saying they are abuse and being approved by bots is false! She can't know stuff like that! She is falsely accusing
Actually we Ambassadors together with Niantic were able to confimr that exactly this happened for almost all of them
And a lot of these Ambassadors abuse wayspots themselves too or don't go by ToS.. I know from first line. I'll leave it by this. The normal players are not treated the way they should be by Niantic.
Ummm... What evidence do you have of the Wayfarer Ambassadors committing abuse (bearing in mind you joined the forum literally yesterday)?
The Ambassadors generally do a good job in their role from what I've seen. And the wayspot removals were not something that was taken lightly or done on a whim. A lot of evidence was provided and a big investigation was done (and is likely still ongoing).
Unless you share specific waypoint that were wrongfully removed, this conversation is not productive. As stated Netherlands is under major abuse and Niantic is combating that abuse with removals, bans and suspensions. If you have examples of wrongful removals you can appeal to get them reinstated.
I will agree that there is a load of trash of pokestops out there if I go by the pics on this forum but there are also stop being removed that should not have been. You are sweeping to hard atm and need to check better. And yes I totally understand that it is a hard job but you really need to because otherwise you are bot being fair to the ones that submitted a legit PokeStop. Also stops being rejected for unacceptable reasons due to people not understanding the rules properly. And yes I also understand that the rules and not easy and often can be reinterpretated different. This whole wayfarer thing needs to be turned around and done differently to make it a fair system. And no I don't know what that should look like. The only thing I know from my experience is that is very frustrating the way it is now.
How do you want me to prove it? I am just a regular pogo player that loves the game. I am no ambassador and I don't have the resources to see what was or is a PokeStop.
I hope you understand that ... Last week I submitted a PokeStop and used an upgrade on it and it got rejected for being a duplicate. For as I could see there was no other stop there that was similar. And yes maybe there was one that I can not see and that was maybe just in a other cell and made it a second stop in that cell... How can I know stuff like that? I only have pogo to go by. If I had know what was there already I would have never tried to get that PokeStop and used an upgrade
If you are going to get annoyed at anyone surely it should be the people who were abusing the system?
When you submit a new wayspot, you can see nearby wayspots when you're on the screen that lets you place the pin for your nomination. You need to have the toggle in the bottom left of the map turned on, and you need to be physically at the location, as it will not update the view if you move the pin, meaning you can only see existing wayspots within around 100 metres of where you're physically stood. You can tap on the icons on the map to see what the wayspots are. The blue ones are in Pokémon Go and the orange ones are not able to be in Pokémon Go.
How can you claim that a Wayspot was incorrectly removed when you don't even know what the Wayspot was?
Because I seen them, I got Xp from them ... And yes not all because, like I said before, I also speak for our community .. and I can't magically make them appear again so I can show you
And yes I am annoyed and I have every right to be .. the abuse goes 2 ways! Trash stops should not be approved, we agree. But ambassadors that state that X amount is not legit because of bots approved is also not right or that things are intensional placed when it is not is also not right. A PokeStop I just applied for just got rejected because of there being a number plate on there while the is no numberplatebon be seen is also not right. By the amount of discussion and everything it just shows the system is not working and it harms the sincere players.
You only speak for yourself. And if you know the Wayspot, you should be able to show that it was removed incorrectly. If you don't know the Wayspot, then you have no way of knowing that it was removed incorrectly.
Niantic doesn't just remove a wayspot solely on the word of an ambassador. If the wayspot is gone, then Niantic found proof that it was tied to abuse and chose to remove it themselves.
Also, there are a lot of tools out there to see what wayspots exist. You seem to be really frustrated with the system but have barely scratched the surface to figure it out. I don't think it should be as complicated as it is. But most of the people who are heavily invested in Wayfarer have taken the time to learn about it and the tools available.
So you say something was legit, but you don't remember what it was? But you were there? Surely you can go back and provide geotagged photos of the legit waypoint so you can appeal it.
FYI some NL Ingress players are only care for removing "anchor" Portals occupied by opposing faction but likely won't bother with the Portals created by the abuse. For example,
Back to the topic, as others said you have to appeal those legit removed Wayspots. But keep in mind that Niantic can reject the appeal even though the Wayspots didn't meet any removal criteria.
I agreed with you, legit portals/stops/gyms disappearing, like this one. Save to spin/hack and there are more of those statues, and those are stil in the games.
These are still there, seems legit waypoints to me right? And already for years 🤷♀️
According to your photo, the removed one doesn't have safe pedestrian access.
If there are valid Wayspots in an area that was cleared - go nominate them anew yourself. Hopefully all bots have been disabled, and you'll get a fair and legitimate review.
(52.4023477, 5.3282427)
Well, on 3 sides there is a walking pad, save to reach the way point.